bosley
- 20 Feb 2004 09:34
oblomov
- 18 Feb 2007 22:16
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Eric,
When a patent claims priority from a previous patent it is claiming the earlier date, for retrospective protection. The 'priority patent' has to be for the same invention.
That is, the European patent is for the the same invention as the two earlier GB patents - if it had anything added (improvements) it couldn't claim the earlier priority dates.
PATISEAR
- 19 Feb 2007 16:06
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:~)
EWRobson
- 19 Feb 2007 18:18
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Still not convinced oblo. A 'patent family' is a group of patents which, like a family, are all related to each other, in this case by the priority or priorities of a particular patent document. This patent and the two GB patents are included ina patent family. Priority has a meaning according to the Paris Convention which I haven't been able to check but it seems reasonable to assume that it is prior in time. If the patents were identical there woule be no point in referring to them as a family.
For anyone who is questioning the relevance; it must be significant if SEO have filed a patent which clearly overcomes technical problems in relation to short-circuits caused, for instance, by food particles. Given that we know that there were technical problems (possibly also performance problems) with the pilot sites, it is significant that these appear to be in the past.
Eric
greekman
- 19 Feb 2007 18:29
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Eric,
My understanding of patents is just a tad more than my understanding of partial physics, quasars, black holes, and the meaning of life, (according to Monty Python).
So because of that I won't attempt to put my views except to say,Your interpretation makes good sense and is well put. Lets all hope common sense comes into patents!
oblomov
- 19 Feb 2007 18:31
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kimoldfield
- 19 Feb 2007 18:43
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Eric, the European Patent Office has this on their register, it shows the application filing date as 24.7.2006: the latest on the register is the Grant of patent:-
EP1749641 - Dielectric welding
Status: The application has been published
Database last updated on: 16/02/2007
Most Recent Event: 05/01/2007 Publication in section I.1 EP bulletin published on 07/02/2007 [2007/06]
Applicant(s): For all designated states
Stanelco RF Technologies Ltd.
Starpol Technology Centre, North Road, Marchwood Industrial Park Marchwood,
Southampton SO40 4BL / GB
[2007/06]
Inventor(s): 01 / Smith, David John Stanelco RF Technologies Limited
'Barnscroft' Winsor Lane Winsor
Southampton, Hampshire SO40 2HG / GB
02 / Grimes, Ryan Stanelco RF Technologies Limited
36 Buddens Road
Wickham, Hampshire PO17 5HQ / GB
03 / Loutit, Magnus John Stanelco RF Technologies Ltd.
5B Languard Road
Southampton, Hampshire SO15 5DL / GB
04 / Sofield, Carl John
Gage Cottage Rowstock
Didcot, Oxfordshire OX11 0JS / GB
05 / Koltsov, Denis Konstantinovich
Flat 1 Marybank Barn Caton Green
Brookhouse, Lancashire LA2 9JG / GB
[2007/06]
Representative(s): Mansfield, Peter Turquand
IP Solutions Fugro House Hithercroft Road
GB-Wallingford, Oxon OX10 9RB / GB
[2007/06]
Application No., filing date: 06117705.1 24/07/2006 [2007/06]
Priority No., dates: GB20050015981 04/08/2005
GB20050024175 28/11/2005
[2007/06]
Filing language: EN
Procedural language: EN
Publication: Type: A1
No.: EP1749641
Date: 07/02/2007
Language: EN
[2007/06]
Classification: international: B29C65/04 [2007/06]
Designated Contracting States: AT, BE, BG, CH, CY, CZ, DE, DK, EE, ES, FI, FR, GB, GR, HU, IE, IS, IT, LI, LT, LU, LV, MC, NL, PL, PT, RO, SE, SI, SK, TR [2007/06]
Extension States: AL Not yet paid
BA Not yet paid
HR Not yet paid
MK Not yet paid
YU Not yet paid
Title German Dielektrisches Schweissen [2007/06]
English Dielectric welding [2007/06]
French Soudage diectrique [2007/06]
Application is treated in (/fax-nr) MUNICH/(+49-89) 23994465
Documents cited: Search [X] US2667437
[A] JP59198117
Also the drawings and descriptions are the same in the 24.7.06 documentation as 2.07, I think it is just a matter of finalising the Grant on an existing invention. Do not despair though, it means that the invention works!
kim
greekman
- 19 Feb 2007 19:07
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Kim/Eric,
Thanks to both.
stockdog
- 19 Feb 2007 20:00
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Kim - thanks, but prefer to join Greekman in the particle physics module
EWRobson
- 19 Feb 2007 20:25
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I understand that they are advertising for the first dog on a space shuttle to Mars!
garyble
- 19 Feb 2007 21:32
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It is said that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...so here goes:
Oblo/Eric, Could it be that EP1749641 is the amalgamation of GB20050015981 & GB20050024175, puting them under one umbrella and widening the teritory from GB to: AT BE BG CH CY CZ DE DK EE ES FI FR GB GR HU IE IS IT LI LT LU LV MC NL PL PT RO SE SI SK TR.
I can't retrieve any information on the two older patents in Espacent, search under the old priority numbers simply calls up the current EP patent.
bhunt1910
- 19 Feb 2007 23:11
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Suggest you contact the public relations people and ask them to confirm what the patent means - that should be amusing!!!!
kimoldfield
- 19 Feb 2007 23:34
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I have just finished off a very large Bushmills Black Bush and suddenly it all makes sense, unfortunately my insides are now on fire so I am going to bed, if I can find it: regrettably, by the time morning comes I will have forgotten everything that made sense tonight.
kim
bhunt1910
- 20 Feb 2007 07:42
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Good Morning Kim - hope you slept well
kimoldfield
- 20 Feb 2007 08:03
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Baza, please talk a little more quietly, oh, and eat those Rice Krispies somewhere else! No more alcohol for me, I'm an orange juice man from now on.
Kim :o?
stockdog
- 20 Feb 2007 08:49
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EWRobson - 19 Feb 2007 20:25 - 23661 of 23666
I understand that they are advertising for the first dog on a space shuttle to Mars!
Woof!
EWRobson
- 20 Feb 2007 12:04
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I take it that means 'yes'. Remember to take your SEO share certificates with you to bury with your bone, making sure that they are not biodegradable!
minordetail
- 20 Feb 2007 14:51
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Mentioned the project to our dog. She asked what the sticks are like on Mars ? When I said there weren't any, said she wasn't interested.
EWRobson
- 20 Feb 2007 16:52
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Yes, but did you tell her about sd her travelling companion!?
greekman
- 20 Feb 2007 17:33
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I knew I should not have started all this partial physics, quasars, black holes, and the meaning of life thing with you lot about.
You make the comic writers of the BBC look like amateurs.
Cheered me up on a day/week with little happening
As long as Stanelco don't fall into one of those black holes, we should be OK.
But seriously, with all the little snippets coming through re Frogpack, the soluble capsule application, and other bits and pieces of news, the March results should be good if only for future prospect.
mg
- 20 Feb 2007 17:51
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greekman
You've gotta have a good sense of humour if you live in 'Ull :)
Mind you - "It's Never Dull In 'Ull" is it ?????