Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic,


Having seen you image you will be glad to know I still don't fancy you.

Don't worry, Hays might.

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You can work out why I don't vote. Basically due to the incompetence of the type of government we have, self centred policies and no long term planning. Motivation short termed greed.

Cynics,

“The Fauklands’s Diaries” Do you read everything you read. You are a man who seems to have strange beliefs.

Hays,

The problems of the many in the unions, during the 50 to 80s, was that they often appeared to believe in political “revolution” and often had vocal, but poor leadership, who rather than concentrating on the needs of the groups they represented, became politically motivated and acted naively.

It was necessary to confront some of their extreme practices. Retrospectively, it is a pity that Barbara Castle’s “In Place of Strife” hadn’t been found more acceptable. (I can’t remember the details of what was offered in the contract.)

Unfortunately, rather than being pragmatic, the present tory elitist government, made up of over grown school boys, PR advertisement boards and conmen, prefer to behave as a “we are up to it” brigade. It is a reactionary, similar to the Thatcher government and offering political solutions more suitable to the tory out of touch governments of the 1922-1939 and the dismal performance of Ramsay Macdonald government.

It is time all sides the unions, and political parties grew up.

Other than the Atlee government and an attempt by Wilson, there has be little long term planning for the country’s economy and wellbeing as a whole.

The Atlee government, swimming in a pool of debt, did attempt to resolve some of to the post war problems, but subsequent governments ducked the realignment of economy and necessary upgrading and mechanism or modernising of the industry. Private industry and nationalised industry often “ducked” the investment problems, although there were attempts to improve of outdate plant. (The UK was competing against newly invested industry and improved working relationships, while some in the UK unions were in a deluded in what the thought to be the possibilities of post war communism.)

There was a background of misdirected, sometimes Luddite unions and often atrocious management. Private management was still being based on the inherited hand down of position.

But, many of the governments (and similarly the present one) were more involved in preserving their own privileges and/or the positions of their own supporters and maintaining themselves in power.

The mines were largely worked out, the “heavy” industries were uneconomical due to “old plant” and “restrictive practices”, the various governments were incompetent and dividing and alienating different groups and polarising opinions.

The various tory governments, other than in the “liberal” McMillan period, seemed, to many, to be supporting and advantaging themselves at the expense of society as a whole, while stoking up future problems of various forms of inequality.

As far as Union membership is concerned, as pointed out, the UK “heavy” industrial base has been killed off by Thatcher. The heavy industries provided the bases for the large unions, and one could expect them to diminish in size. Also, and probably more important, the Health and Safety bodies, and the Courts and Legal actions for unfair dismissal and compensation etc. has lessen the needs for the unions.

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But, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some resurrection of the unions over the next 2-3years.

You are a man who seems to have strange beliefs.
at least that implies that i have made up my own mind which is directly contradictory to what you have always thrown at me

the first part of that (your) para made no sense

The above is mostly nonsense. The leaders of the various Labour governments were hand in glove with the unions most the time and certainly whenever the Conservatives were in power. When the Conservative were in power Labour actively encouraged the unions to cause trouble in an attempt to destabilise the government and they do now. At times when Labour realised that the unions were getting too big for their boots, they would never risk upsetting them as they are their paymasters. If the unions disbanded that would be the end of the Labour party as they have no reliable other funding. There is no appetite for socialism in this country.The only reason that Ed Miliband was elected was the union block vote. The MPs and apparently wanted his brother David. The union only gets the block vote because they fund the party.

One for Fred - One also of a pancake, incase you don't like waffles. ;-))

chris carson my daughter was in the falkland war and was in port stanley
she does not say much about it as she sign to serve the queen and country
she was also in barain . did you fight for your country

and her husband my son inlaw was a helcopter pilot
they now their own business

I'm in love with Margaret Thatcher rereleased from some years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq9j4QbSTC8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I see the party idiot has arrived home.

Dreams your self-portrait although certainly a good image of yourself should not be displayed so often.

You should get a boy friend, if try hard enough, you may be lucky.

But, I do hope both of you will be housed trained.

Miind, if Hays is nice to you and takes your paw you can both pop along to party headquarters for a briefing, or retraining.

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Hays,

If it wasn't for the begging bowls in the Cayman Isles and the like asking for funds from your puppet masters, and providing them with patronage you would not have a party, or the propaganda sheets you desperately rely on.

Haven't you noticed even your paymasters are leaving you more and more rapidly.

Your party is doomed, doomed, dooomed.

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Actually, compared with the old "Etonians" and Bullingdon Club drop outs and failures, I think Miliband seems to be doing quite well. Again, I think he may be thinking of future practical policies.

Cameron looks like a blustering fool besides him.

By the way, who writes Cameron's jokes. I don't mean policies, mind both seem to be going down a bomb.

I see there are larger and larger droves of the ex-tory party faithful paying their subs to Nigel.

Ps.

You make a perfect advertisement for a party in distress, but you can all collect around Maggie's totem pole and rejoice. Your party is as dead as she is.

You can't seriously be a supporter of that buffoon Miliband. He is like a sixth former. He looks like a fish out of water. He doesn't even have the support of Labour MPs. He was imposed on them.

TANK - And you must be rightly proud of them. At the time it must have been hell for you though. I was in the Police at that time, so no obviously I didn't fight for my country.

I would guess, at a rough estimate, that the extra policing needed because of all the left-wing Socialist organised "parties" over this coming weekend to celebrate Margaret Thatcher's passing will probably far exceed the £10million of tax payers money - which is currently being estimated as the cost of her funeral. These so-called "parties" will end up with left-wing fanatacists, aided and egged on by anarchists and any other bunch of loonies who jump on the bandwaggon, as an excuse to throw bottles and stones at our police force, trash our streets, loot our high street shops and revel in the fact that the whole sordid episode will be covered by all our television networks.

a straight question for you DB - no hidden side i promise ..... do you agree with MT having a quasi state funeral? .... my view + reasoning has been posted previously

cc she said it was what she signed up for and do not worry about me my choice
she is a good looking girl and can you remember a girl from page 3 of the daliy star
mizzy lilly i think she was called her boy friend was with her

off to the club all have a nice weekend off to silverstone the weekend to the pub near by

Cynic,

I agree, if it had been common practice to have "state" organised funerals for ex-PMs, I would not have objected, nor would it have changed my opinion about the "lady".

But the arrangements being made for this funeral appear to be attempting to make political capital out of an event and it is backfiring,

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Hays,

How many councils and local councillors are you expecting to lose in May.

Will you go down the pan with them or around the U-turn, not for turning?

Perhaps, the tories will be flushed away.

Nightmares.

Not up to your usual standard.

Prefer the previous image of yourself as it is more reflective of you and your abilities.

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Losing councils and by elections is par for the course. It won't influence policy, nor should it. I would be surprised if the Conservatives and Libs didn't do badly. It is not really important if the government is not popular. That is not its purpose. More people trust the Conservatives than Labour over the economy.