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supermarkets like prepackaging stuff as they then get away with charging a significant and unwarranted premium .... have a look at the price per kg for plastic bags of say potatoes, and the comparative price for exactly the same variety etc etc , including being washed, when sold loose ..... I am afraid my wife allows herself to get suckered in this way

The last line says it all really. The great British public want packaging and will pay a premium for it. Its a no brainer for the supermarkets. Give them what they want and charge a bit extra anyway.

What's all this? Cynic making intelligent comments and referring to himself as the only arsehole? Disappointing though to compare the ASDA comments with those from Leahy of Tesco. Particularly as they have the Stenalco lead - I can see Tesco or M&S beating them to the punch. What has become clear is that a major drag on take-up of GreenSeal is the fact that many (most?) suppliers cover several supermarket chains. In other words, the initial breakthrough will be from particular suppliers leading to a pull-through from customers. That in turn leads to Stenalco become an industry standard! By gum, I am working myself up to buying some more!

Eric

All i was trying to say is that the everyday joe bloggs, Who shops in supermarkets wants better packaging. That which stanelco can supply, So maybe some arsehole somewhere will see this and do something about it. Rather than sitting with his head up his own!, like some people.
Bye

Eric ... you know the story about infinite monkies etc etc ..... clearly applies to me too!

by the way, the answer to the point i raised in 23696 is 0.99 per kg of small washed new spuds ..... 1.99 / 2.98 .... and the justification is ...... some mugs will still buy the pre-packaged!

The real issue here should be SEO and their inability to move further than providing a few execs a free day out looking at boxes. Eric has drilled into the matter - it is the packaging machines that determin what the supermarket gets...unless one supermarket wants something very specific, most cakes (for example) will be made in one factory and it is the boxes that give the "brand", although there will be variations in the ingredients etc.
unfortunately SEO got to the wrong-end and spent time talking to ASDA who really can't influence the packing machinery as much (say) as Mr Kipling. However as with all established processes it isn't easy to break with tradition (there being so many vested interests and JobsWorths about), so I suppose we have to be grateful SEO is still in business; for it amazes me that a company can take so long to do so little.
If I treated cutting the lawn with such indifference, it would be lush meadow by now.....with no hope of ever cutting it with my B&D electric.
I just hope SEO has started..........

I'm not convinced that Mrs cynic is wrong to buy vegetables pre-packed - very often the veg are near the start of shopping (in Tesco, anyway), so if you handle the loose spuds, you get dirty hands. So much better to buy a bag of spuds then you can move on quickly. I haven't noticed a price-difference but now you mention it, I'll check. I will agree the "peeled" versions (carrots) are more expensive, but usually in smaller quantities, so for a quickie-meal it saves time. Obviously if cynic's family is large, then the loose veg will save money long-term. I'm quite a bargain-hunter myself and I find the variation week-week is enough to dictate my buying of potatoes. Once home I cut the bag open and put it in a large black-bag. This allows the spuds to breathe in darkness.

However, I thought SEO packing was about meat...and very few customers want product that others have turned-over. Hence the packing is an essential element. What SEO can eliminate is the vast quantities of plastic trays.....that's their claim, but sadly I haven't seen any of their products to know-so. It is typical of companies to approach the market from the "wrong-end" pavkaging will be consumer-driven* and the fiasco over machinery is just the tip of a larger measure of incompetance....er, IMHO.

Has anyone (here) seen/touched SEO material?
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Regards.

* the charging for waste-collection might help; but consumers have to live with imperfect food before the packing will diminish. I won't buy dented tins - am I wicked for this trait?

hangon

All interested Investors who were able or bothered to attend were offered samples of Starpol and Wrap to inspect at AGMs (sadly plural!!).

I have a sheet of Bioplast (Wrap) among the papers surrounding my PC.

One cannot touch GS but I have seen it 'in action' (2 words, unlike the old Management style) and others there came away with blocks of wood in film covered trays sealed by GS.

'blocks of wood in film'
Is that what its going to be used for?
My wood dining table came wrapped in film. I should have looked to see if it was a GS product.
I have a new bed coming in two weeks. I will let you know if it is GS. :>)

Hangon-well said! Mrs cynic is possibly brighter than her husband as inside washed and graded packs you can see the quality and lack of damage in the goods you are buying.-thus saving money. Eggs in cardboard are often crushed in delivery and the supermarket has to price in this waste. Tomatoes soft fruit etc as well. There is some case for loose carrots/potatoes etc but as you say not even dented tins will sell and time is money! o/t maybe we could get sola interested in starpol to stop it's wafer damage**

wrong! ..... pre-packed potatoes means the supermarkets can not only rip off the customer with the pricing, but can also jumble up all sorts of sizes ...... loose (same variety, washed etc etc) you get to pick exactly how many you want and the size and quality.

dented tins are a different matter .... technically the vacuum can be damaged and thus the contents ruined ..... not sure that that is true nowadays, but certainly used to be the case.

soft fruit etc ..... your argument is flawed, for on that basis, loose would be at least as expensive as pre-packed, and that is patently not the case.

eggs ..... somewhat more susceptible to breakage, but even then it is comparatively few.

wine ..... nearluy always in cardboard cartons with cardboard protection ..... almost never any breakages

There is a difference between glass and egg shell! Soft fruit eg if you visit a pick your own to buy at the counter not pick in the fields the squashed ones have to be sold for jam in super markets this is thrown away as waste. I will check out the potato point again and compare time and price. sorry to admit this though but it drives me mad trying to get to things with elderly couples standing looking at every carrot or potato usually with the husband hanging onto the trolley and blocking the aisle!! sure this isn't you though--you're probably with Alan watching the sport. lol.

i cook 3-4 nights a week and always do my own shopping for it ..... Beloved and i (thank goodnes) never shop together.

don't understand the point you are trying to make re soft fruit and veg ..... strangely, there seem to be no varieties that grow self-containerised!

I'm impressed-a modern man lucky mrs c! I give in on the other points each to his own.

Beloved reckons i'ld make someone a wonderful wife! ..... i don't get headaches either (lol)

cynic- never would have guessed you were that way inclined....

ah well ..... life is full of surprises, some nice and some just plain scary

like seo sp - plain scary

Oblomov, if you are there have you got time to take a look at the EPO site and give an opinion on these and say what you make of them? Ta!

MAKING FOAMED BODIES remove
Inventor: BALCHIN IAN HENRY (GB); FEAST MICHAEL ALAN JOHN (GB); (+1) Applicant: STANELCO RF TECHNOLOGIES LTD (GB)
EC: B29C44/10; B29C67/22D1 IPC: B29C44/10; B29C35/12; B29C44/02 (+2)
Publication info: AT350207T - 2007-01-15

MAKING FOAMED BODIES remove
Inventor: BALCHIN IAN HENRY (GB); FEAST MICHAEL ALAN JOHN (GB); (+1) Applicant: STANELCO RF TECHNOLOGIES LTD (GB)
EC: B29C44/10; B29C67/22D1 IPC: B29C44/10; B29C35/12; B29C44/02 (+1)
Publication info: DE602004004117D - 2007-02-15

kim

Cynic, I just checked the price of potatoes in my local Co-op supermarket - loose washed ones are 1.32/ Kg, nearly all the bagged ones were 90p/Kg, so your theory doesn't work out in that shop at least.

Marlow is much too posh for Co-op (lol) ..... we have Waitrose + a small Sainsbury's (awful; no wonder they lose market share) and small M&S (badly overpriced).

Even so, the differential of 46% that you have found just to have some machinery stick some spuds in a plastic bag is patently unjustifiable ..... other than that mugs clearly buy!