Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays,

Is that to replace the ones they are closing.

The councils are closing the libraries.

The actual figure is less than 60 libraries actually closed. That continues a trend already existing under Labour. Visits to libraries have been declining due to e-books, internet etc anyway.

If the latter is so, the tories could have stopped them. With future cut backs in education "expenses", they will be needed more and more.

Which councils are closing the most libraries, Tory, Lib Dem, or Labour?

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Probably Labour councils. Conservative ones are run better.

In 2012 there were 41 libraries closed by Labour councils, 14 closed by Conservative. There were 40 new libraries opened.

let's get back to the Rules of Golf ..... far more interesting and worthy of note than fred's continuous droppings .....

Hays - Rule 33-1 states specifically that the Committee has no power to waive a Rule of Golf

Then move to Rule 6-6.d - the competitor is responsible for the correctness of the score recorded for each hole on his score card. If he returns a score for any hole lower than actually taken, he is disqualified

And so to Rule 20 ..... in this instance, it was known from precisely what spot Tiger had hit his shot, and he even admitted as much ..... he was therefore obligated to take his drop as near as possible to that spot, though not nearer the hole .....
therefore Rule 20-7.c applies .... if a competitor makes a stroke from a wrong place (patently Tiger did), he incurs a penalty of two strokes

Therefore Tiger recorded an incorrect score and should have been disqualified - not least, because he knew and admitted he had not dropped his ball as near as possible to the spot from where he took his previous shot

cynic
The committee was not waiving a rule. They were waiving the penalty, which they are allowed to do. There is no suggestion that they are allowing people to ignore a rule. They have just decided that in spite of the violation they are waiving the penalty. A subtle distinction, but it seems to be valid.

An example from the real world would be someone committing a crime and being found guilty, but allowed to go free. The law was not being waived, just the penalty.

Stinks, no matter what this weak livered committee say. Quick enough to pick on the weakest player and penalise for slow play. Would a European player or anyone else for that matter have got away with it? Odds aren't bad for an E/W bet on Woods having said that :O)

Cynic and Hays.

You deserve one another.

Overgrown schoolboys arguing about a game played by hitting a ball of rubber bands painted white with a stick with a knob on it, standing in the rain and paying a fortune for it.

Cheaper to take a tortoise for a walk.

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Now as I was writing:

For dreams!4

fred - the garbage can deserves you old son .... you can then join your comic-book cartoons of which you are so fond ..... being sulky becomes you

so back to the really important world of the Rules of Golf - according to the book, the Committee has no discretion in this - i.e. wrong score recorded = automatic disqualification
i shall be interested to read further detail on this ruling .... with luck, i'll see JP in the not too distant future who will, i am sure enlighten us, assuming he will be permitted to do so

used to admire tiger, still do, but to a lesser extent. he has been through a lot and there but for the grace of god etc. so i do try to sympathize
he knew he had done wrong and admitting it and resigning thus saving any committee or whatever the need to make that decision would have really helped him rebuild his reputation in my opinion.
it would have restored his integrity and genuine honesty greatly.
tough decision though but who is advising him? anyone else and he would have been gone. he knows that. so why didnt he walk? such an opportunity he has missed.
just as well it looks as though he isnt going to win as i post.
maybe it will now just get lost in translation because if he did win what a never ending story may have evolved.
he should have walked in my opinion
regards
jkd

it would certainly have enhanced even further, golf's well-earned reputation for being a sport of the highest integrity ...... however, i would be very interested to read exactly how the committee reached its decision

how to solve unemployment ..... labour says "let's guarantee jobs" ..... what a totally moronic suggestion!!! ..... sort of thing one might expect from a 10-year old

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MT to have a statue or not? ..... a definite yes from this corner, for there can be no question that, no matter how divisive her policies may have been, her influence on the country in all sorts of areas was profound and will last several or even arguably many generations

are those who are anti (they are entitled to be) equally against the statue for Bomber Harris? ..... if so, why so, and if not why not?

Cynic.

You are becoming more and more a condescending prat.

Do you think some jobs should not be subsidised in order to enable people to get jobs which may enable them?

You are becoming more and more crass as your Alzheimer's sets in.

i think your friends - even if you are too arrogant to vote for them - used the word "guaranteed" ..... huge difference between that and encouraging apprenticeships, which looks to be happening, albeit not before time

Mrs T already has a statue in lobby of the House of Commons. There have been suggestions of a statue in Trafalgar Sq.

Manuel,

Do you also mean, small business paying low wages are not on state benefits and profiting from public taxation?

I question, "full employment" at what it means and whether it is beneficial to society whole or even possible without hanging and flogging.

Mind it was Victorian philosophy for the many of the unemployable gentry towards the lower classes.

I look back to the 50s, 60s and 70s of discussions with friends and colleagues of how to "dis-courage" the deliberate abuse, by some in society of the Welfare System.

But the major stumbling block was the seeming "inabilities" of some in society to cope.

When we tried to think of ways to "educate" the more "inadequate" or "obstinate" in society were often left with the taste of Fascism and the practice of such in our
mouths. (Less than 25 years before the discussions.)

Not saying that the problems should not be addressed.

But put the economy in an "expansive" phase first, when jobs are available.

And I don't mean part-time self employment, or the massaging employment figures massaging, with said part time inadequate pay.

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By the way implying my "flirtation with communism", remember Churchill signed contracts with Stalin and supported him when the communist state.

Also, Churchill sold Yugoslavia to Tito and the communist partisans in the face of other more democratic groups.

Also, many think Poland was sold out by Churchill at Yalta to "communism".

Check your history.

Politics is a dirty business, and some tories are naturally better at it, than other groups.

Back to my Sourdough.

(I know it suits me.)