I am interested to hear any opinions about the proposed Royal Mail floatation. Will it remain a croc and sink or will it open at a premium and fly?

Out now, But I will deal with you later... Meanwhile you have work to do.

i can scarcely wait .... indeed, am almost wetting myself in anticipation

Weren't you one of Maggie's wets.

no, just one of her "vegetables" :-)

I hope that you have managed to dry up... Now how about answering those outstanding Questions?

what questions and even if reiterated, i may just tell you to myob, which is prob what they warrant :-)

Oh so you have finally emerged from your 3 hour liquid lunch break have you, myob?... What the hell does that mean then -):

Mind Your Own Business :-)

Terry Macalister

The Guardian, Thursday 24 October 2013 19.37 BST

One of the world's largest investment banks told ministers ahead of the Royal Mail flotation that they could sell the postal business for £10bn, around two and a half times more than the government finally received for it.

News of the valuation from JP Morgan re-ignited the huge row over the privatisation with Billy Hayes, the postal workers union leader, claiming a "conspiracy against the taxpayer" and demanding the sacking of Vince Cable as business secretary.
The government sold shares in Royal Mail for 330p each, valuing the business at £3.3bn on 11 October. But the shares rocketed in value by almost 40% that day alone and closed at 529p, making the company worth more than £5bn.

The official float figure excluded around £800m of debt, which included would give the state-owned business an "enterprise value" of £4.1bn but still almost £6bn lower than the price tag suggested by JP Morgan.

The US bank declined to comment but well-placed sources confirmed the figure of £10bn and made clear that others pitching to sell the Royal Mail on behalf of the government had also priced the mail company as high as £7bn.

The Department of Business said a whole range of different price tags had been put on Royal Mail at different stages of the sell-off process which was conducted in the most thorough way. "The banks' proposals came months before any threat of strike action by the unions, financial market uncertainty in the United States and other factors which the government has already said were taken into consideration in setting a price for the company in September," said a spokesman.

Hayes, the general secretary of the Communication Workers Union, said: "On the opening day of the flotation Vince Cable wrote off the undervaluation as froth. A week later, we were told it was the fault of the CWU. We now have a prima facie case of a conspiracy against the UK taxpayer who were opposed to the sale and have now been robbed of billions. In any other walk of life this would be a sacking offence and we call on Vince Cable to resign. A full inquiry should be launched into the mis-handling of this unnecessary privatisation by Vince Cable. We would also like the matter to be referred to the public accounts committee to scrutinise how badly the taxpayer has been left out of pocket.

Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, said the development only added to fears that taxpayers have been significantly "short-changed by David Cameron's Royal Mail fire sale".


He added: "Vince Cable has said that taxpayer value was 'central' to the government's strategy in selling Royal Mail but given the extensive consultation with institutional investors and banks which took place, both he and the prime minister have serious questions to answer.

"Crucially, they must explain when the Government was made aware that the sale was so massively oversubscribed by major investors and why, having considered a higher price, they rejected that option.

"We have called for a full investigation into this matter so it is welcome that the National Audit Office has announced it will be looking into the deal and publishing its findings in the Spring."But Whitehall sources said it was not surprising that banks pitching for business might overplay the value of Royal Mail in the hope that they would win the work. They said it was like an estate agent coming round to have a look at a house and trying to persuade the owners to hire them by offering the best price available, but without the full knowledge at that point of all the circumstances.

Over 21 investment banks offered their services in May and their appointment was overseen by another City institution, Lazard. The spokesman for the Department of Business added yesterday: "The proposals included indicative valuations of the company based, in many instances, solely on information already in the public domain. Banks made their own assumptions of Royal Mail's future performance. The range was wide with the median around £3.6bn taking into account [an] IPO [initial public offering] discount." Among the banks that did win the work were Goldman Sachs and UBS.

Oh charmed I'm sure! Bang goes your Christmas card this year then... But there again as your jewish I don't suppose that makes one iota of difference -):

Stan.

Sometimes I think you are referring to his breakfast!


9-)

Let's stop this.

I want see how Martini gets on, before Manuel rubs it in.

ALEX BRUMMER: Poorly executed and wrongly priced...The betrayal of the Royal Mail flotation

By Alex Brummer

PUBLISHED:22:19, 24 October 2013| UPDATED:22:19, 24 October 2013

With the exception of the most recidivist of trades unions no one could dispute that it was right to free Royal Mail from its sheltered life in state ownership.


What is indisputable is that this was a flotation that has been poorly executed, wrongly priced and has done nothing to encourage wider or longer-term ownership of shares in Britain as recommended by the 2012 Kay Review.


Much of the blame for this farrago is aimed at Vince Cable, who as Secretary of State is ultimately responsible. But much of the early preparations, including meetings with advisers, was done by Tory Michael Fallon who was charged with bringing some private sector skills into the Business department.


The taxpayer has received a terrible deal. Shares floated at £3.30 each have now leapt two pounds to £5.29p. The Government had fair warning of this from some of the investment banks, with JPMorgan valuing the company at up to £9.95billion, Citibank placing a £7.3billion value on the enterprise and Deutsche up to £6.9billion.


Clearly, the Government didn’t want a flop on its hands and allowed the offer to be ‘priced to go’. But the misjudgement was huge.


Several fundamental errors have been made. First, the retail offer was not meant to be a national lottery-style get-rich-quick scheme, but to encourage broader share ownership. This it has failed to do, with punters immediately cashing in.


Second, it should have been aimed at long-term British-based funds. It was not beyond the brainpower of the global bookrunners to have devised a system that gave these holders preference.
Instead, the big winners have turned out to be aggressive hedge funds, including TCI with an eye-catching 5.8 per cent stake.


Finally, ahead of the float Cable, Fallon and others insisted there was no need for a ‘golden share’ that ensured the Royal Mail remained British because it would be hanging on to a minority stake currently 38 per cent. This, it was argued, would act as a bulwark against overseas owners. But for how long given that the Government is committed to running down its stake?

The consequences of allowing strategic assets, from oil refineries at Grangemouth to nuclear engineer Westinghouse and British Energy to be sold abroad, has been seen in its full glory this week. It leaves government on the outside with little leverage over essential services.


It may be too late to impose a golden share on Royal Mail that could prevent the European parcels service GLS from being carved out of the enterprise by TCI and others.


But Cable should make clear that if that is attempted the matter will be referred immediately to the Office of Fair Trading/Competition Commission for a thorough study of its strategic and economic impact.

£5.50 or thereabouts as I type.

Oodafortit?

Sold out all my shares at 564. It will probably surge on to to £6 now but happy with the profit. More of these please Vince.

Martini.

Lend us a bob or two.

Difficult to call.

Barclays Capital Equal weight 538.50 - 466.00 Initiates/Starts

UBS has told clients to 'sell' their shares in Royal Mail, saying the postal service is now over-valued.

The investment bank, which was one of the lead bookrunners on the £3.3bn privatisation of Royal Mail last month, said the market was far too optimistic about the company’s prospects.

Nomura Neutral 538.50 - 400.00 Initiates/Starts

Half Yearly Report

Key points
· Revenue growth of two per cent was driven by strong growth in parcel revenue in UKPIL and GLS, which offset letter revenue decline. Parcel revenue now accounts for 51 per cent of Group revenue.
· Operating costs after transformation costs were flat, due to tight cost control and lower transformation costs. Transformation costs were lower than expected, in part due to delays in transformation expenditure related to the industrial relations situation. Transformation costs are now expected to be approximately £160 million for the full year.
· Operating profit after transformation costs of £283 million benefitted from a one-off VAT credit of £35 million, lower depreciation and amortisation of £10 million, as well as £50 million lower transformation costs.
· While the improved Group operating profit margin after transformation costs reflects continued tight cost control, the VAT credit and lower depreciation and amortisation benefitted margins by approximately one percentage point.
· Profit before taxation of £233 million and notional earnings per share of 16.8 pence (both excluding specific items) reflect the operating performance of the Group. Pension accounting standards require us to include a one-time, non-cash benefit of £1,350 million4 as a result of the Pensions Reform in reported profit before taxation and reported notional earnings per share.
· EBITDA before transformation costs increased to £483 million.
· Net debt of £723 million was £183 million lower than at 31 March 2013. On 15 October 2013, Royal Mail refinanced and replaced all loans previously provided by HM Government. These loans5 and existing finance leases are currently forecast to have a blended interest rate of approximately 3.5 per cent per annum over the life of the facilities.