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FTSE + FTSE 250 - consider trading (FTSE)     

cynic - 20 Oct 2007 12:12

rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.

for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ

for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance

Falcothou - 04 Sep 2008 12:17 - 2381 of 21973

5% unchanged has perked sterling a smidgeon

2517GEORGE - 04 Sep 2008 13:10 - 2382 of 21973

It's still the currency to short though, just my opinion of course.
2517

cynic - 04 Sep 2008 13:50 - 2383 of 21973

a safer short is $:ZAR - i.e. ZAR to weaken

cynic - 04 Sep 2008 16:25 - 2384 of 21973

Dow is horrific and really struggling to hold 111275/11300 (down 250) .... the inclination is to say that the fall is badly overdone, but markets are renowned for lack of logic

Falcothou - 04 Sep 2008 17:21 - 2385 of 21973

What the hell is ZAR? and what happened to the dow?

cynic - 04 Sep 2008 18:01 - 2386 of 21973

george was mentioning shorting sterling ..... ZAR = south african rand

as for the dow, it got real sick! ...... shit employment numbers

Falcothou - 04 Sep 2008 19:35 - 2387 of 21973

The only thing going up at the moment is the dollar a new bubble?

bhunt1910 - 04 Sep 2008 20:31 - 2388 of 21973

well I decided to play the idices one more time and went short just after lunch and rode it all the way down and banked almost 500 in profit.

Wasn't I the clever one. - easy peasy money this

So confident that the market was at its low I went long whilst I went to the Dentist.

Gave it all back !!! Lost the lot

Morale of the story - stay to what you know and watch it like a hawk. - Enjoyed the ride - but I am too compulsive for this game.

Hi to those I know through this board

bhunt1910 - 04 Sep 2008 20:32 - 2389 of 21973

Looks like we are about to go into a death spiral on FTSE

spitfire43 - 04 Sep 2008 20:50 - 2390 of 21973

DOW bumping along at 11200 at the moment, looking grim for FTSE tomorrow, but there could be some bargain hunters about later. (including me hopefully)

bhunt1910
sorry to see you gave the profit back, why don't you set a daily target , and when reached stop for the day.

bhunt1910 - 04 Sep 2008 21:08 - 2391 of 21973

Spitfire - thats exactly what I start out doing - I had 100 as a target - but then I get carried away.

I know you are right - dont seem to have the discipline

cynic - 05 Sep 2008 08:24 - 2392 of 21973

i am amazed to see FTSE as resilient as it is this morning .... unfortunately, it hsa still crashed comprehensively though 5400 level

robertalexander - 05 Sep 2008 08:27 - 2393 of 21973

have been a bit quiet lately but y/day i surpassed myself and i am currently down 1.25 million[all be it play money ie demo mode] as i went long on the nikkei. was playing whilst watching but got distracted and then this morning i had a heck of a shock!!!
i was thinking of trying this for real as i had 'made 20k' this week but think i will leave it well alone.
Alex

cynic - 05 Sep 2008 08:31 - 2394 of 21973

indices really do need watching constantly but it is still all too easy to get it wrong ..... i am an ace on indices ..... getting it all wrong that is!

spitfire43 - 05 Sep 2008 09:38 - 2395 of 21973

13:30 US unemployment data due, could move markets either way.

Markets feel very nervous this morning, I will just content myself with some bargain hunting today.

stroreysj - 05 Sep 2008 09:53 - 2396 of 21973

once we get through this new bout of selling after the hedge funds have liquidated all of their commodity stocks there should be some cracking bargains around. There are so many stocks at 80-90 % off their all time highs. It like shooting fish in a barrel. In the ,meantime hold on tight as the ride could be bumpy as players are flattened at the exits in the apparent stampede. I would not be surprised if the FTSE ended up near 4800 by month end.

spitfire43 - 05 Sep 2008 10:16 - 2397 of 21973

I have seen 4800 level mentioned as target many times, I think it refers to a support level seen in early 2005. If I have read the charts correctly we first need to see a fall below 5200, which is the next support level from late 2005.

See chart below, it's only a basic chart, but it does show the support levels.

Chart.aspx?Provider=EODIntra&Code=UKX&Si

Strawbs - 05 Sep 2008 10:59 - 2398 of 21973

The unemployment data should be interesting. Less about the numbers, more about market sentiment. Personally I think the selling will continue for the next few weeks, regardless of the numbers. Tuesdays close on the DOW looked rather ominous to me.

In my opinion...

Strawbs.

cynic - 05 Sep 2008 11:18 - 2399 of 21973

don't disagree, esepcially with the enforced sale of equities by the hedge fund that is being closed down

however, i shall close my FTSE short before those numbers as yesterday's fall is almost certainly overdone and surely (clutching at straws?) the bad news is already discounted?

dealerdear - 05 Sep 2008 11:35 - 2400 of 21973

Only IMO of course but I do disagree. I'm setting myself up here but I think we're testing the recent 5200 low and as we've had several days of large losses, I believe we're due a bounce of sorts.
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