Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic.

You are becoming more and more a condescending prat.

Do you think some jobs should not be subsidised in order to enable people to get jobs which may enable them?

You are becoming more and more crass as your Alzheimer's sets in.

i think your friends - even if you are too arrogant to vote for them - used the word "guaranteed" ..... huge difference between that and encouraging apprenticeships, which looks to be happening, albeit not before time

Mrs T already has a statue in lobby of the House of Commons. There have been suggestions of a statue in Trafalgar Sq.

Manuel,

Do you also mean, small business paying low wages are not on state benefits and profiting from public taxation?

I question, "full employment" at what it means and whether it is beneficial to society whole or even possible without hanging and flogging.

Mind it was Victorian philosophy for the many of the unemployable gentry towards the lower classes.

I look back to the 50s, 60s and 70s of discussions with friends and colleagues of how to "dis-courage" the deliberate abuse, by some in society of the Welfare System.

But the major stumbling block was the seeming "inabilities" of some in society to cope.

When we tried to think of ways to "educate" the more "inadequate" or "obstinate" in society were often left with the taste of Fascism and the practice of such in our
mouths. (Less than 25 years before the discussions.)

Not saying that the problems should not be addressed.

But put the economy in an "expansive" phase first, when jobs are available.

And I don't mean part-time self employment, or the massaging employment figures massaging, with said part time inadequate pay.

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By the way implying my "flirtation with communism", remember Churchill signed contracts with Stalin and supported him when the communist state.

Also, Churchill sold Yugoslavia to Tito and the communist partisans in the face of other more democratic groups.

Also, many think Poland was sold out by Churchill at Yalta to "communism".

Check your history.

Politics is a dirty business, and some tories are naturally better at it, than other groups.

Back to my Sourdough.

(I know it suits me.)

PS.

The torid party's belief that Thatcher and Regan led to the fall of "communism" is part of delusional rhetoric spouted by many camp followers.


Those who observed so the USSR from within and without during the period 1950 to 1990, could see the fragmentation of the state and especially from the time of Hungarian and Polish uprising. The same was happening on its "political" periphery.

Many thought, if Regan and Thatcher hadn't crowed over their false "victory" when Gorbachev, and had attempted to modernise the State, the change to a form of "democratic" government would have been more easily affected.

Thatcher appeared to be more interesting in ravishing and pillaging of the spoils of that country.

The latter led to retrenchment, suffocation and the corruption which is evident in Russia at the moment.

Fred
You are becoming more demented day by day.

confess i'm just bored with this never ending discussion .... there was a similar boredom threshold with the gaza thread

Seems many are as detached from general opinion as the the party they follow
Local election results will be indicative of Lib dems, Ukip and Tories support.

Still think and Urinal would be a more suitable memorial for The Lady. At least it would be useful.

cynic, re the ongoing T Woods saga - it's not the first time the rules of golf have been manipulated in his favour. Great play by both Cabrera and Scott.

Regarding Augusta, I think Woods should have disqualified himself, the rules are clear on this one. It would of at least shown that he was trying to maintain a level of honesty and integrity nowadays.

exactly so shortie ..... the logic behind the committee's decision looks more than a little suspect (total fudge!), exacerbated of course by tiger's ready admittance that he knew exactly where he had dropped the ball relative to his previous shot

no plaudits for either the committee nor mr woods i'm afraid

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fingers x-ed that we can keep red fred side-lined ..... he does get very tiresome

Love the picture. My wife and son both play in brass bands. I have sent it on and I am sure that soon there will be hundreds of brass band players getting it as it is passed on.

Haystack - I can't remember the name of the pub, it was near Bewl Water.

Interesting, my wife and kids have sailed in competitions there.

For Manuel,

to relieve his boredom!

Does that mean Walt Disney is making a bio film of of Mrs T? They must have realised how popular that would be.

They could base it on witches and wizards.

Could be a great send up.

They could base it on witches and wizards.

Could be a great send up.