Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Clubman3509 - 01 Jun 2010 14:53 - 2377 of 2402
Ban those silly little hats they wear on the back of their heads

Tell our father the Pope.

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how can the blockade be illegal ?

Israelis are blockading Israeli waters

the rest is a propoganda pipe dream
probably on hash

Uncensored video from on-board journalists, with IDF film of the same incidents from different angles edited in.

*Warning* Parts of the video are very gory - they show close up stabbings and clubbings.

mnamreh: It was addressed to you. Fred doesn't see my posts because he has placed me on the Squelchy Step. Alongside Rabbi Ausie.

MN.

Apologies.

(Wouldn't dare to strain the old fellow.)

I wrote, previously, that I was dyslexic

Trying hard..

Have a good day!


All my faults

The Turkish media reported that the Israeli troops who attacked Mavi Marmara, one of the Freedom Flotilla ships, possessed a hit list containing the names of activists who should be killed and eliminated.

They said on Monday that the Israeli government already prepared this list in order to liquidate certain participants in the convoy.

One of the Israeli soldiers during the raid on the Turkish cruise ship Marmara dropped this hit list and the media outlets in Turkey published it later yesterday.

For their part, officials at the Turkish port of Antalya categorically denied what Israel claimed about finding weapons in the possession of the passengers aboard the ships.

They affirmed that the ships and passengers were scanned and searched carefully before allowing them to sail for Gaza.

Haystack - No weapons?

So what are the soldiers in the al-jazeera video above being stabbed with? And clubbed with? Is it mime?

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The waters along Gaza are Gaza territorial waters. Israel is currently administering them.

Not only is the action piracy, it is an act of war against Turkey under whos flag the ship was sailing.

Check this story from one of the Passengers,

Passengers recount mid-sea horror
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/2010/06/20106193546785656.html

Haystack

I'm glad it's so cut and dried for you - perhaps you could arrange a lecture tour of international legal organisations, institutes and universities, to present the legal arguments that your incisive and expert mind has analysed prior to coming to your conclusion.

They really do need your expert pontification because they don't see it nearly as clearly as you do.

It is just Israel and its supporters that don't see it that clealy. A number of news agencies are now casting doubt on the Israeli account of events.

Haystack, whilst personally I have no intention of voicing an opinion until ALL the facts are available, your ramblings on this thread are much akiin to the long time squelched dick head Fred. Whilst I realise events of this type inevitably polarise views, you really are totally one dimensional in your ability to view the bigger picture. I recall a quote (albeit not very well) which goes along the lines of - keep quiet rather than confirm you're an idiot.

Haystack - that's rubbish.

The question hinges on whether Gaza is a sovereign state, part of Israel, or an occupied territory.

There are (apparently) sound legal arguments for the blockade for each of these cases. Which one do you want the arguments for? I'll set them up so you can knock them down.

The problem is that until Gaza's status can be properly recognised, identified and pigeonholed nobody knows which set of legal precedents and law applies.

The same should also be said of the supporters of the Israeli action. I am afraid I regard your comments as just an attempt to stop criticism of Israel. Iyt is your choice to not read my comments. I regard the actions of Israel as appaling and should be condemned with some actual response such as a trade boycott.

G
There also seems to be sound legal arguments for the action being completely illegal. Israel is now clutching at straws to try and prove it was in the right. I see that the Israeli goverment is getting a rough ride from its own press now.

This is from Haaretz today

The price of flawed policy
Relations with Turkey will probably deteriorate further, and there may even be serious damage on the official level.
Haaretz Editorial When a regular, well-armed, well-trained army goes to war against a "freedom flotilla" of civilian vessels laden with civilians, food and medication, the outcome is foretold - and it doesn't matter whether the confrontation achieved its goal and prevented the flotilla from reaching Gaza. The violent confrontation, whether caused by poor military planning or poor execution, resulted from flawed policy, wars of prestige, and from a profound misunderstanding of the confrontation's meanings and repercussions.

Ari Shavit, also writing in Haaretz, calls the incident "a fiasco on the high seas" and says the Israeli government has failed to learn the lessons of its own independence struggle from the British. Mr Shavit recalls the British army's attack on the Exodus, a boatload of Jewish refugees, shortly before the mandate crumbled in 1948:

"With a single foolish move, the Israeli cabinet cast the Muslim Brotherhood in the role of the victim and the Israel Navy as the villain and simultaneously opened European, Turkish, Arab, Palestinian and internal Israeli fronts. In so doing, Israel is serving Hamas' interests better than Hamas itself has ever done."

Uri Avnery, a former member of the Israeli parliament, writing in the Gush Shalom blog, says the action has done terrible harm to Israel:

"This is a day of disgrace to the State of Israel, a day of anxiety in which we discover that our future was entrusted to a bunch of trigger-happy people without any responsibility."

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Perhaps you can outline one of the sound legal arguments [citation needed] for the action being completely illegal? It may give us a starting position on what pigeonhole you pop Gaza into.

It's good to see that the various wings of the Israeli press are happy to question, comment, and criticise - that's one of the true signs of good democracy. Our own press in the UK is equally as critical of some of our own governments actions.

Interesting to see a partial passanger list and some of the comments relating to beatings during interogation.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7141720.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

Incidentally, UNCLOS Articles 105, 107, 108 & 110 cover the right of warships or ships engaged soley on governmental business to board ships suspected of piracy & drug traffiking. Additionally, MOUs exist between nations to conduct searches once ships suspected of illicit activity have been boarded.