Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

whatever it is fred, you share a similar rotting portion

what thoughts do you have on your "pal" mccluskey and his threats?
i doubt even you would dare claim he was misrepresented!

cynic
I have posted to you on the BLINX thread.

Cynic,

Never met McClusky.

Apparently, I know less than you do about him, but feel that the likes of Redwood, Thatcher, BNP, some UKIP members, Smith, Gove, Fox are of the same ilk. (The latter in my mind should have been expelled from parliament for abuse of office.)

It seems to me, that like Hays, they are blinded by prejudices and justifying their positions based on their own limited personal experiences and questionable knowledge, but not being prepared to or trying to understand the underlying experiences, or motivation for opposing argument.

Also, both groups of that “ilk” generally start negotiating by the negation of the views of others, rather than exploring them.

Superficially, McCluskey would seem to be from the revolutionary “type” of trade unionism, which was of limited value in the 30s and late 40s and 50s and has been left behind by many of the present trade union leaders of today. (But the trade unions are reorganising and perhaps, treading water for the time being.)

Not having read his speech, if it was referring to the economy, I may agree with some of it and as stated three years ago, certain cut backs were necessary, but money should have been ploughed into the “infrastructure” and “capital expenditure”, at the same time, in order to give confidence to the overall economy as well as “oiling” the internal circulation of money and giving confidence to private investment.

Also, I think the UK is too dependent on a Service Economy, the latter necessary for “internal UK functioning” and at the moment producing some income from overseas, but as overseas economies “develop” maybe there will be less and less dependence on the city financial services and that income will melt away, leaving “Tourism” and its off-shoots, as the main source of overseas income. (Think about it, I am lazy and putting it clumsily.)

We may be heading for a long period of stagnation, which is a bigger problem than the “hiccups”, we are having at the moment.

Looks like Thatcher funeral will be £3.6m and not £10m. The inflammatory figure just came from the Daily Mirror.

Thatcher funeral works out at approximately 6p for each taxpayer.

Labour seemed disappointed that the UK did not go into recession today. They seemed to have geared up for lots of criticism and when there was slight growth all Ed Balls could say was that the performance of the economy was lack lustre. Bearing in mind the state of Europe that it is pretty close to praise for Osborne.

"Thatcher funeral works out at approximately 6p for each taxpayer.".. Or £3.6m for the Thatcher family!

The Thatcher family are paying for the usual costs of a funeral. The balance is being paid for by the state as per the arrangements decided by the Blair/Brown government. The current coalition partners were not involved in the decisions.

AMEN!!!!!!

It was a political stunt paid for out of public taxes and more than she was worth.

Also, the figure you give does not include the cost of police and some security.

Also, I would expect the figures to be questioned, especially as they came from party headquarters at No. 10.

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The economy is flatlining and georgie boy and the cameroon said it would be recovering and prayed that slashing and cutting would provide a giveaway budget just before the 2015 election.

What is the UK credit rating at the moment, the hillock which the pillock said he was defending?

Wait for inflation to take off, especially, with the brilliant idea of stimulating another boom bust of the housing market, rather than putting the money into the economy by pushing money into local government and social housing and subsequently into general economy.

Europe, yes. Look at the effects of so called tory "praiseworthy" austerity, which "biscuit bin" economics has produced and the steps which will have to be taken now and over the next 2 years in order to remedy the increasing problems.

The cost and the price paid are now going to be higher than if the coalition's approach had been more moderate and directed to moderated stimulation at earlier stages.

As, has been said, Thatcher's children. The only thing this lot remain children, clinging to the experiment of outdated economics and ideology.

Yesterday's adolescents, who found the way into the "sweet shop".

I am quite happy for the UK to export the Thatcher family, but hope they pay all due taxes on any estate willed to them.

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The figure does include police/security. The cost of the funeral and ceremonial was £500k. The figure came from number 10, but the final figure will come from the public accounts dept and is expected to be very close to the estimate.

Fred
If you are worried about outdated economics and ideology by then look to Labour as they want Keynesian economics which predate the coalitian's economic plans by decades (1936 in fact).

"The Thatcher family are paying for the usual costs of a funeral. The balance is being paid for by the state as per the arrangements decided by the Blair/Brown government. The current coalition partners were not involved in the decisions."

H/S, You seem infatuated with the last government on a number of things, However the "Con" party have been the government for about 3 years now, so you lot have had more then enough time to change the law's if you don't like them. You have chosen not to do so on this issue, the obvious conclusion is that you agree with the previous lot on this subject.

Actually, I don't know that the theories are outdated or that there's anything particularly wrong with Keynesian economics.

The concept allows the private sector to use the free market economy to get on with things during the boom years, and for governments to provide the necessary economic stimulus and infrastructure investment during the hard years by way of monetary and fiscal policy. In order to afford and provide that stimulus, governments need to ensure that they accrue sufficient funds during the good years.

Unfortunately, the one-eyed Scottish Monster was a bit too easy with his monetary policy and debt-fuelled infrastructure spending during the good years. As a result, he didn't put the money aside that he should have done which would have allowed the present government to implement some of Milton John Maynard Keynes' theories.

That's the only reason we've got austerity now. Cameron, however, wants to get re-elected in 2015. He's not stupid, even if he has made too many U-turns, and he knows that he'll have to take his foot off the brakes a little if he's to stand any chance of getting back in. Fortunately, austerity has been working and the UK is a leaner, healthier machine which is actually doing reasonably well at the moment, contrary to what all the muppets with their lagging indicators think or believe.

Once we're out of the EU and China has gone t!ts up and taken Australia down the plughole with it, the world will be able to move forwards again.

McCluskey
typical non-answer from fred

given that "Mr Miliband, who was elected as leader thanks to union votes and receives millions in funding from Unite, later sanctioned a public slapdown of the union boss" and so EM and others had clearly considered that speech in full, it is abundantly clear that one of the very public and significant paymasters of the labour party has much stronger and more radical leanings and agenda than the labour party would like to own up to

no doubt at the next poart conference, the pair of them will be seen havinbg a cuddle and saying it was all a misunderstanding (hahaha!)

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Hilary
Many thanks for " Fortunately, austerity has been working and the UK is a leaner, healthier machine which is actually doing reasonably well at the moment, contrary to what all the muppets with their lagging indicators think or believe."

it's good to hear these supportive views from someone who clearly has an awful lot more economic understanding and grasp of reality than the vocal several here

the thatchers will pay no TAXES they are tax cheats and a horrible bunch of
evil humans