Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

so sticky, are you saying
that IHT at whatever % should be levied on 100% of the deceased estate?
that there should be no tax benefit at all in setting aside money in a pension for your old age?
that you are leaving your children ZERO and that you are not even writing a will so that 100% of your estate is taxable?

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if you answer "no" to any of the above, then you are admitting that "certain things" should indeed be tax allowable to a greater or lesser extent

that being so, now be specific on exactly what should and should not be allowed ..... and don't forget to identify what a company should or should not be allowed to do ..... and of course how you will implement all these great ideas

by the way, do at least try not to use silly emotive words or at the very least, get it clear in your own mind the difference between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal)

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does one assume that the trout also evaded (illegally) your charms this morning?
were you cheating by using a worm or even a wet fly?
mind you, surely even a dry fly is cheating for you are trying to con the trout?

Taxed once before but not earned by the recipitent.

Usually money like I said pilliged many years ago from the common wealth.

Plus if all thosed thieved Billions in offshore acoounts were taxed not only would we not have a structural deficit but the budget deficit would be well eaten into.

Why should the majority today pay for the sins of the minority from the past and that in fact includes immigration.

Weve gone through all this before cynic, just ask fred.

He knows and you did if you had a memory what I said i would be passing down to my son.

And by the way I caught my 3 trout on maggot and its my own (well syndicate) private dam, I can fish their when i want.

maggot???????? ....... that's disgraceful!!!!! ...... you'll be using a dynamite fly next

on tax matters sticky, i am afraid you evade(!!) the question, and i'ld never expect to get anything but far left tripe from fred ...... had hoped you had a more balanced outlook; ah well, hope and expectation come to mind :-)

Evasion and avoidance have I have said for the tenth time are imoral.

Both should be slapped in the same envelope and some serious chancelor go all out to get money thieved from the state........ yes from the state that is why we have a parliament and a vote.

Well slap me with a kipper. I've just discovered I'm morally reprehensible. :o)

so tells us something we didn't know :-)

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sticky - are you really incapable of discussing these matters without using very stupid and emotive words that do nothing at all to enhance your argument?

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in my opinion ......

"aggressive avoidance" measures should be avoided, for at the very least you are likely to have a very expensive (nothing reclaimable even if found innocent) investigation by the inquisition

however, provided the measures used for tax avoidance are proven and legal (by definition they are), then i see nothing wrong in making best use of them
if or when those rules are changed, then one has to take the necessary action

i have no idea quite how one tightens the rules on multi-national tax avoidance, without running the very real risk of discouraging inward investment, with all the attaching ramifications for the overall economy

any thoughts hilary, for at least your comments are usually worth reading and considering?

Of course I have an opinion, cyners. I think they should only tax northerners.

like i said, "usually worth reading" :-) !

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Mohammed Sheikh, Hamza Ali and Suran Uddin convicted of trafficking and sex offences at Norwich Crown Court

Took vulnerable girl from streets of London to house in Ipswich, Suffolk,

Plied her with drugs and alcohol then repeatedly raped her for four days
Uddin jailed for 15 years, Sheikh for eight and Ali for five years today

cynic tou are the idiot full of shit a coward that is your family a load of cowards who left their country like scared sheep.
you should be ashamed of your colours

and to think my family died to save your country not run away like yours

Just pure greed with you Cynic.......spoon fed all your life and your going to do the same with your children.

Let them stand on their own 2 feet and by that I dont mean with a £500 grand cheque stuffed in their top pockets.

Make no wonder this country is in such a mess with your kind of thinking and morality.

Its just look after Nos 1 and F the rest.

Typical Thatcher thinking that.

Ah, looks like the early pub goers have taken a breather before the next session!

harry it is people like myself hat keeps the high street going
but never go into asian shops would sooner gowith out my choice
only go in pubs clubs bookies and good old english shops
they are clean .

Cyners,

In all seriousness, I'm not really the best person to ask about tax avoidance. Whilst evasion is clearly illegal and should be punished, I don't have any issues whatsoever with legitimate avoidance schemes.

Being morally reprehensible, I actually like to see legitimate avoidance schemes working in practice and actively encourage them. I applaud the guys who think them up.

As for their negative impact on the economy, that's nonsense. Firstly, it wouldn't be cost effective to try and close every loophole and the government would end up with serious egg on their faces if they tried, and secondly, the money lost through legitimate avoidance from top earners invariably goes back into the economy because the economy becomes more attractive as a result of allowing such legitimate schemes.

Look at it this way... Would you rather have a few bob from a high earner than nothing whatsoever if that party relocates to, say, Geneva? At the moment, the West End is awash with wealthy Chinese and Arab businessmen because it's a relatively attractive place to be.

i do wish the village idiot would either take his medication or stop cluttering up the board with his rubbish - or both!

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sticky - why are you so totally incapable of supporting your opinion with something sensible instead of a load of populist codswallop?

so far, you have said not one word about what you would actually DO to prevent what you perceive as tax avoidance abuses
furthermore, you seem to have a muddled view as to what is fair and allowable - i think, but it is not entirely clear, that you approve of pensions and isas being tax allowable but not where one should therefore draw the line; and don't forget the how either

thanks for your input hils
any thoughts as to whether or not the rules should be somehow tightened to stop at least some of the tax avoidance by multi-nationals? ...... how, would be even better!

No, why would you even want to stop it? If you discourage corporate avoidance and a large firm moves overseas, what impact would that have on employment and the revenue contributions of the employees. Worse still, the government might even incur welfare costs for the redundant workforce.