cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
spitfire43
- 08 Sep 2008 08:37
- 2431 of 21973
Yes there will be some pain for people holding shorts, The banks have seen most gains with barc up 13%, rbs up 11% and lloy up 10%.
The problem for me today, is that with such a fast rise the FTSE is above my highest pivot line, so unless we see a large about turn, I can't trade at present.
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 08:38
- 2432 of 21973
unintentionally left myelf longer of Dow at close on friday than intended .... oh dear!!
Falcothou
- 08 Sep 2008 09:01
- 2433 of 21973
You couldn't make it up, talk about manic depressive market there surely can be no finer example of this than the last few days. Friday was certainly a day for accumulation and as you say must have taken quite a few bears over the cliff, more carnage in the hedge!
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 09:09
- 2434 of 21973
Having burned all the shorts....what's the betting it'll reverse and burn everyone that's gone long now.... Seems unlikely though.... :-)
Anyone know what the dollar is doing?
Strawbs.
stroreysj
- 08 Sep 2008 09:25
- 2435 of 21973
No confidence is any numbers floating around today IG are out by over 100 ticks on the daily price. I smell something fishy
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 09:34
- 2436 of 21973
So much trading must've blown a fuse at the LSE.... :-)
Strawbs.
dealerdear
- 08 Sep 2008 09:38
- 2437 of 21973
Could be interesting when it all comes back on. Wonder whether there will be a surge in prices and therefore a chance to lock in profits (if there are any of course - lol!)
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 09:45
- 2438 of 21973
Could be a lot of angry people out there if they're stuck in a massive losing position. Glad I'm just a spectator......
Strawbs.
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 09:56
- 2439 of 21973
quite right Strawbs ..... LSE is swampd and ALMOST impossible to deal, though just bought a few more SHP (good support at current level - see chart) and even SOLA, though i am not sure that was necessarily a smart move
if you work with IG, they have just started doing a weekly "thingy" on currencies, but have not yet had a chance to open my e- on the subject
stroreysj
- 08 Sep 2008 10:00
- 2440 of 21973
i agree dealerdear. If the prices aren't there IG should suspend trading on the indices. Its like betting on those computer horses in the bookies. I would be really pissed if I had a day position fortunately short until mid October
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 10:06
- 2441 of 21973
Understandable I suppose, but pretty embarrassing for the LSE.
In my opinion.
Strawbs.
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 10:49
- 2442 of 21973
i think IG's indices numbers are probably correct as they are updatging continuously - the boys there will tell you ...... however, the prices on individual stocks are almost meaningless i think
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 11:34
- 2443 of 21973
LSE is still shut for normal trading ..... is spoke to IG who confirmed that is down to pure volume, much generated by AT traffic ...... in due course (later in the day i suppose), all will unscramble, though presumably there will be a second (unprecedented?) auction period ...... that really will be fun to watch, especially if there are a lot of bear trades trying to close - e.g. in SOLA and the financials
stroreysj
- 08 Sep 2008 11:53
- 2444 of 21973
according to IG the FTSE is already up 5.4%. Im sure there might be some bears closing their position to cover in panic but plenty more will come out of the woods at these levels and push it back down
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 12:15
- 2445 of 21973
IG's FTSE cash merely reflects September Futures andf is therefore not strictly accurate ..... my guess is that when the market really opens, FTSE will open an awful lot higher as it will then reflect true stock prices, rather than guesstimated ones ...... i would also be susprised if volatility does not prove to be a classic understatement for the first 30 minutes or so!
robertalexander
- 08 Sep 2008 13:39
- 2446 of 21973
managed to rescue my seriously bad buy on the nikkei [re: My 1.25million 'paper' loss] and change it to a 3100 profit[paper one naturally] A lucky escape me thinks.
with that in mind[ i was trading in CFDs]
had this been 'real money' : would i have been liable on Friday morning for the whole 1.25 million[which i obviously did not have] or could i have done like i did, in demo mode, and sold out today after the bounce?
Alex
cynic
- 08 Sep 2008 13:57
- 2447 of 21973
or jumped off the nearest NCP carpark roof!
some seriously strange prices showing on IG at the moment, but i think they are meaningless as few are genuinely trading - just XTA, RIO and BARC on my watchlist
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 14:01
- 2448 of 21973
Think if you'd gone into the red in real life you'd be liable for it. That's why I've never opened a CFD or SB account. A little indiscipline could leave you permanently scarred!
Lucky for you they don't have demo baliffs.... ;-)
Strawbs.
robertalexander
- 08 Sep 2008 14:02
- 2449 of 21973
and thats why i never will play for real, but it is fun in demo mode:) seeing what i could have won!!!
Alex
Strawbs
- 08 Sep 2008 15:06
- 2450 of 21973
I think the whole market is in demo mode today..... There must be lots of people (hedge funds included) sweating at the moment....
Could a panic rally actually cause a market crash? Now wouldn't that be ironic!
In my opinion.
Strawbs.