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anni .... i preached that message on this thread some time back! ..... personally i HATE being forced to buy veg in my local supermarket, though thankfully we still have a really good fishmonger/butcher ..... baker is about to close but that is through retirement .... even so, one just knows it will not be replaced with similar or even a deli

If you are buying fruit and vegetables at a local market and they look good, have a look around the back of the vendor's to see what labels are on the crates they arrived in.

Because cucumbers are not.............they get scraped and have insects lay eggs on their surface / burrow into them etc.
The rights and wrongs of supermarket packaging are a splendid irrelevancy. The vast majority of people want their food packaged, albeit less so. A world where all consumers did as that lady, would be a world where we all caught a bus or rode our bikes and that is not going to happen.
Idealism is something to be aimed for and never achieved, and thats a good thing.
After all, how happy would you be popping to your local shop with a covered jug to buy a pint of milk. And doing it on foot.

As an afterthought on cucumbers;
I have a feeling that if we measured carbon footprints on a cucumber grown on a local farm, shipped to a local greengrocers and sold to a local person then per cucumber, it would be larger than that of one grown in the med, flown to the UK, shipped by lorry to a supermarket and sold as part of the weekly shop.
Why?
The local farm would, by nature, be less efficient. The plane would be flying anyway, full of british tourists and stuffed donkeys and most of the consumers would be buying for a family on a weekly or fortnightly basis. The storage and transportation would be chilled, but the wastage rate would be very low.
The local farmer, with his inefficiencies, would have to accept either a higher wastage rate due to contamination or very expensive and environmentally unfriendly measures merely to keep his cucumbers in good condition, as well as still keeping them chilled. Also the consumer is likely to be driving to his local shops more frequently than a once a week family shop.Think economies of scale applied to carbon rather than cash. All for the sake of saving a plastic wrapper.
Now imagine the best of both worlds with a fully biodegradable plastic wrapper and that is the sales pitch for SEO, assuming they ever make a sale.
I may be very wrong, but just to look at the packaging ignores the wider implications of what is going on.

ALAN - you know what i think of this company and the pity i feel for those still holding on through thick and thin ..... nothing personal and i confess there are too many other important economic ramifications surrounding today's fave topic of the famous carbon footprint .... my opinion of unnecessary packaging is also already well voiced, whatever it may be made from.

as a silly aside, wouldn't a carbon foot squash the cucumber (lol)?
i suspect that most imported cucumbers, like the tomatoes and peppers, come from NL or sometimes Spain, so the distance (sorry; the carbon footprint!) is not that terrible

The point remains, cynic, that natures packaging is fine for something grown in your back garden and put straight in the fridge, but not usually mass storage and transportation.
The point about it being an irrelevancy is still relevant (sic) while people are paying no more than lip service to environmental issues.
I too, am fed up to the eye teeth with SEO but am strongly of the opinion that packaging is here to stay and the drive is for less and better, not none at all.
Indeed none at all is impossible. if you do anything other than dig a spud out of the ground and sell it loose, you must cover the damn thing in disclaimers, ingrediant lists and salt content!!! You cannot do that on a jacket. This is why getting rid of packaging, whatever you or I think, is seen as a backward step by the entire world, and why the drive is to make current systems sustainable, not idealistically green. So from a logical point of view, those ripping up packaging at the checkout and demanding everything unpackaged probably (though acting from the best of intentions) have it wrong.
This is not an isolated thing. The green lobby got their way in making car driving less attractive, by tolls and bus lanes and speed bumps et al. The intention was sound, reduce emmissions. the result was everyone sets off earlier for a journey, sits 15 minutes in jams with their engine running, accelerates madly when they can to make up time and belches even more fumes into the atmosphere. Reducing car parking spaces was the best yet. people drive around for hours looking for somewhere to stop the damn thing, throwing an extra few kilos of carbon into the air!! I cannot think of a more pointless use for a car, but we all do it.
alan

strange spuds you dig up if you they have a salt content ... lol!
"less" is de facto on the road to "none at all" even if that goal is unreachable, as indeed most goals should be.
and as i have posted before, (recycled) cardboard as used in wine cartons is eminently effective and re-recyclable and could surely easily replace much of the plastic trays etc currently being used.
as for home waste, we would happily recycle more if it was practical.
however, our wine and other bottles go in the dustbin (or should I use the car to take them elsewhere?) and much of the supermarket plastic or even paper waste is deemed unacceptable because it has either been used for milk or yoghurt or similar or the cardboard has some sort of plastic film to make it impermeable.

So now we see the market for SEO goods if they ever bother to sell them.
Frogmat for the cardboard and Starpol for the plastic bits!!
The brakes are, as always, the disposal end of the matter. It is fine if you are a gardener in a large country pile, to dig the packets into mother earth, but a bit of a problem for Nelson Mandela House, 14th floor who only have a vandalised window box.
Usually new creations are made from solving a problem. I fear this creation has created its own unique problems and that may be half the story, when the film is made.
I can see, in my minds eye, right now, a supermarket executive saying its a lovely product and it is around about cost neutral, but it has this disposal problem. Until refuse collection is aimed at this kind of thing, where will it biodegrade? Until then it is as green as any other product, but with the addition of lots of difficult questions being asked by anti bypass protesters living in trees. Come bcak when you have solved that end of the equation.
Perhaps the SEO lasting legacy to the world will be a replacement for the chicken and egg question.
Alan

of course, a major saving all round would be if the likes of my wife could be convinced that the dustbin does not need to eat more that the rest of us! ...... from time to time she gets given a "banned from buying" list!

I got one like that!!
Anyway. Time to move on. Recycling, composting or other environmentally friendly means of disposal are probably the future, rather than not using resources in the first place. The only real problem is that disposal is in the hands of our elected tits and that means it will probably be here by about 2037. Unless Gordon can fins a way to tax it, then it will be here by June.
Not a cynic. Just Jaded.
Alan

I am very keen on recycling as best I can, but I for one want my veg packaged albeit in a material that is as minimal as possible, and one that I can recycle.

Vegetables, Fruit and such like that are not packaged get handled by many other people prior to purchase. Whilst it obviously is going to be handled to a certain extent prior to packaging, at least I hope it will be in a fairly hygienic way.

None packed produce is open to being handled by nose picking, just been to the toilet none washing, generally dirty hands. Germs just don't stay on the surface, they can make their way into the veg, fruit itself, especially through porous skins.

Washing fruit with just plain water, wont kill germs.
How many of us eat apples, pears, tomatoes and such like without even washing them at all.

Also packaging retains freshness, so less waste.

I do buy some produce none packaged, but most of these are from a local farm shop (germs and all).
It's a bit of a catch 22.

ah .... the modern obsession with cleanliness and hygiene! ..... there is probably a link between that and our general lack of immunity to general "stomach bugs" ..... i confess that my Yorkshire-born mother's fridge frightens me to death, but there was certainly some validity in the old saying that one eats a peck of dirt before one dies .... even if it is the last spoonful that contained the botulism spores!

Over a heavy lunch had a chin wag with an aquaintance from the city and several friends who have followed the fortunes of this company.
The conversation drifted/directed towards SEO.
With all the talk re buyouts etc I asked their opinion.
What I got has left me even more confused.
The gist was that there is no news worthy of a release that will have a dramatic effect on the sp, hence no rns's. They (management) are aware of their vulnerable position and are working towards several fruitions at once to send the sp up and ensure that any attempted buyout at a rediculously low price would be unsuccessful. They know how fast cash is burning and the stagnation of the sp over recent months and the undervalueing of biotec production and are trying to ensure a very long term future for seo.

I've chewed t over. Does it ring true? as it has'nt come from the horses mouth, I was wondering what others thought?
Or is it me clutching at degradeable straw?
:-)

Tweenie,

The information given to you is correct.

I don't know what you lot are grumbling about. To-day is the third time I have had to climb out of the dustbin after my wife has tidy up!

The Million Dollar Question (Actually its about a 30 quid question on current market cap) is how much longer we have to endure the agony and ecstasy of doldrums and no news flow, before we get a glimpse of the great 5 year plan.
Any ideas???

ask our new leader THE GREAT MAN HIMSELF HE KNOW EVERTHING THERE IS TO KNOW////////////////G.B.he like five year PLANS/

Gordon Bennet?

Alan,

There will be an RNS in June {2007}.........final payment for Biotec!

Apart from that, July to September has been a dead period for news over the recent past, I expect there will be no difference this year. So doldrums till at least ESptember IMO.

Garyble,

Please give me some hope and clarify which September.

Greek.