Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

no doubt planning to bomb EDL because of their racist views!

Has the Labour party gone completely mad?


The Labour Party has complained of racism about a Lib Dem election leaflet - because it points out the Scottishness of one of its candidates.

Lib Dem councillor Steve Comer said he did it to highlight his own local credentials and show voters that the Labour pick did not live in the constituency.

The Liberal Democrats said their candidate had been "defamed" by the racism accusations.

The row has blown up in Bristol, which is gearing up for Thursday's local elections.

The offending leaflet referred to Mhairi Threlfall as "Labour's candidate from Scotland (and St Paul's)".

St Paul's is another part of Bristol, about a mile from the Eastville ward being contested.

Darren Lewis, chairman of the Bristol Labour Party, told the Bristol Post: "It is racist and any party pushing it is racist."

He said: "I'm disappointed but not surprised that Steve Comer and the Lib Dems have chosen to emphasise a candidate's nationality in their election leaflets.

EDL???? cyners........ remind me please. Not fully fit today had awfull weekend hayfever season kicked off big style.

Anybody know anything about a Virus or Trojan named Cheshire Police virus?

English Defense League
so i guess you're not exactly a fan of mayfly season then with all the hawthorn blossom and stuff .... clearly God likes to punish you too!

one would naturally have assumed that St Pauls referred to this guy's alma mater

St Paul's is a rough party of Bristol. Lots of drugs, crime etc. When there were riots, it was in the St Pauls area.

not much difference between there and the well-known educational establishment then!

Right of course cyners. Not firing on all cylinders although amazed how much dosh ive made in the last few days.

Perhaphs the hay fever season should have a few starts up per year.......... then again no thanks.

Have you watched that video on tax avoidance I posted earlier today?.

Hang your head in shame, both you and hays.

Tax avoidance is fine and morality has nothing to do with it. If the government wants to stop it then legislate. If I had millions then you can bet I would want to pay the smallest tax possible. I don't see any merit in an argument against that.

no i haven't, but fwiw, my tax avoidance measures are very mundane and arguably not nearly as far-reaching as they should be

Hays,

Morality!

Ummh.

Hays is 100% correct .... the taxman has no morals when it comes to collecting his slice, so why the reverse? .... rendering unto Caesar etc does not preclude minimising the amount one should so render

Politicians and governments use the concept of morality to generate feelings of guilt in people who may be minimising their tax. They also foster feelings of animosity in the population against people who may not be paying enough tax. Neither situation has any real basis and is just a trick. If I were to pay almost no tax or even actually no tax I would not feel even slightly guilty. But then again, I can't remember feeling guilty about much ever. It is a vastly overrated emotion.

cynic most polish men sold the jews to the ss for gifts was that your family
we no you are a coward and your colours are bright yellow
and we no you are proud of your colours .
and to think my family died for yours makes me sick .

Hays and Manuel,

It seems that you are suggesting that "morality" in the above circumstance is what the law permits, or what one can get away with and that “feelings” of responsibility to others unnecessary, or even unwarranted.

A bit like Maggie was suggesting with there is no such thing as society.

However, if one was to become dependent, or in need of the support of society which they had previously avoided contributing fully to, they would have no twinge of guilt, but simply take advantage of the “generosity” provided by what could be considered the foolishness of others in society, who have not avoided making full payment of appropriate tax.

Perhaps, many successful and unsuccessful villains show the same flexibility of "emotion and actions" of egocentricity, lack of social empathy, but still prepared to associate with similar self advancing individuals for self benefit and are able to show little remorse.

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Funny old world, perhaps the electorate does deserve those who it elects.

Obviously the politicians, government and society have been more successful applicants in conning you into having your holier than thou attitude. I must say that I am pleased that there are such gullible souls out there.

I don't think morality has anything to do with paying tax at a high or low level. Tax is what the government can get away with charging.

fred - as so often, you choose to distort .... in legal and tax terms, morality has no bearing or relevance whatsoever .... whether or not you as an individual wish to take advantage of all or any permitted manoeuvring to avoid paying tax, is entirely a personal choice as is choosing what charities to support or avoid

Are you saying legal systems, personal choice or actions are not based on, or influenced by personal "morality"?

No such thing as a public morality?

legal systems are assuredly not based on morality, though the laws within that system should, but do not necessarily, reflect the prevailing and strongly held views (morality!) of society - e.g. the ending of child labour in uk or even hanging

personal choice and actions are indeed often a reflection of one's own moral perception of what is right and wrong - e.g. going to help someone in trouble or the reverse as is sadly often the case nowadays

public morality is amorphous, especially in a multi-cultural society where differing segments will often have varying views on rigft and wrong