Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

legal systems are assuredly not based on morality, though the laws within that system should, but do not necessarily, reflect the prevailing and strongly held views (morality!) of society - e.g. the ending of child labour in uk or even hanging

personal choice and actions are indeed often a reflection of one's own moral perception of what is right and wrong - e.g. going to help someone in trouble or the reverse as is sadly often the case nowadays

public morality is amorphous, especially in a multi-cultural society where differing segments will often have varying views on rigft and wrong

WELL this is a shock, even I am overwhelmed.

If this is the true picture its goodbye Giddeon and call me dave...........

electionista ‏@electionista 10h

UK - ComRes poll for local elections: CON 31%, LAB 24%, LDEM 12%, UKIP 22%

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/C4M_Local_Election_Poll_30_April_2013.pdf …


The Torries have had it if this turns out not to be a rouge Poll.

UKIP on 22%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What will that do to the tory vote.

labour werent expected to do well in mostly southern heartland Tory seats.

Might even have a grand on at Hills for Giddeon to be kicked out.

Laws are based on the 'good' of society and will alter over time. Homosexuality is a good example of how laws and penalties change. Laws vary a huge amount across a selection of countries. We have no monopoly on morality and it also varies as much as laws. There is no absolute morality and laws are often based on the safety and convenience of the majority. Is it immoral to park in a street? Does that change if a yellow line is drawn? Is it immoral to drive at more than 30mph, especially when the speed limit on that road was 40mph last week? Is it immoral to say unflattering things about Mohammad. Does that immorality vary depending on which piece of the world that you are standing on?

Tax laws certainly have no morality in them Income tax was introduced as a temporary measure to pay for a war. You could say that it was immoral to demonstrate against the 'poll' tax, which was a very fair and 'moral' tax.

Hi Haystack,

Agree re your tax avoidance comments.

Don't know who you are arguing against as I can't see their posts, so it is obviously somebody who I have squelched but I wonder if they have an ISA, which is a tax avoidance vehicle.

Anyone who pays tax that they are not legally obliged to pay is a mug!

Tax evasion is a different matter, perhaps some people do not appreciate the difference!

Even Guido is shocked.......

Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 1m
Shock as ComRes poll puts UKIP on 22% http://order-order.com/2013/05/01/shock-as-comres-poll-puts-ukip-on-22/ …

Guido Fawkes ✔ @GuidoFawkes

Just been round various bookies in the West End putting £50 bets on UKIP to do well so as not to move the market.
4:21 PM - 30 Apr 2013

Isnt greekman the ex copper with a massive pension WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Retire at 49 after 30 years service get the full pension and then move onto another full time job............ SHAME.

gold finger
Looking at the figures above you can see Conservatives 31% and Labour on 24%. That looks like UKIP are taking more votes from Labour. That could be due to their wishwashy attitude to the EU.

CErtainly UKIP is better than the other two, so they should benefit.

hays, its southern seats in general that are being contested, get your facts right.

Sure North Yorks is up for grabs but thats a a Tory hot bed anyway.

Here you are Hays the other big poll out this morning nationwide poll showing labour are in fact 2 points ahead now of where they were last week after thatcher bounce....................

electionista ‏@electionista 1h
UK - YouGov/Sun poll: CON 30%, LAB 39%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 14%

WHAT you have to remember these elections are mostly southern seats and the fact UKIP are looking likely to nabb Tory seats is a Massive worry for the Tory party.

It would leave Labour with an overall majority at next election of min of 65 seats.

Cyners and Hays....... one for you from me.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs

Does this demonstrate public, personal or tory morality.

Rumours on twitter Cameron is running scared of UKIP and darent even mention them now.

as i wrote before, i think there is little doubt that ukip will pull in a large slab of votes - large being relative to the usual small turn-out for local elections of +/-30%
how many seats that translates into is another matter, as is the lasting strength of that support - i.e. come the next general election, will most of that support disappear, just as used to happen with the liberal party 20/30 years ago

NO.............not unless Cameron and Osbourne are ousted imo. 1/4 percent rise in base rates and this will effect millions of familys in this country.

Knife edge economics and Carney joining the party in June. 2.8% inflation will soon be double that and % rates will have to go up.

Dont say I didnt warn you, the Canadian has a reputation for inflating the economy.

modest inflation is no bad thing for all sorts of reasons, and as hilary, who far more knowledgeable than any of us here on these things, has already explained and posted

as for interest rates going up certainly within the next 12 months, that is very unlikely in the current worldwide climate ..... anyway, even if they do rise by 0.25% as you suggest, it has little real effect even on mortgage repayments ..... one of your typical and rather silly attempts at scaremongering i'm afraid

Manuel,

To me, you seem to be thinking or believing that you own omniscience and your opinion infallible.

And if somebody has a similar view on the Economy as you they should be lauded, and acclaimed.

Of course, your remarks could just be flattery.

Again the ongoing support of for a tory government, which has done more U-turns in two and half years than any other government is risible.

Osborne, although stating his original economic actions are being continued, he is back treading and modifying them constantly.

He is an original British disaster and when it comes to 2015 election his failures will be more apparent to the general electorate and Cameron, himself and his policies, alongside the split tory party, will be rejected by the electorate.

I pity any government which has to pick up the mess left by this coalition government.

Inflation, devaluation increasing interest rates are useful, when they are integrated with a stimulated growing economy.

After two and a half years of tory misrule and misgovernment, where is the growth?

The interesting thing about the poll that goldfinger mentioned this morning is that when you look at what the UKIP people voted in the last election you can see that 60% of them voted for other than the three main parties. UKIP are reported to have captured about a third of all BNP voters. That sort of trend won't do them much good.

You hope!

my AMD has started to move, 15% so far today.