Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Grannyboy

Your gaffe on trade deals, see your 2440. UKIP is a busted flush.

Nigel kept off front line because he's not part of official leave team. Grove/Boris don't want to be seen with him.

Immigration not solely EU consideration. Approx 50% of nett migration not from EU. Non EU migrants come here under strict criteria. We need them to fill jobs. They include Australian doctors, India computer programmers and nurses from south east Asia. In previous years The govenor of the Bank of England would have been counted.

Non EU immigration is under UK control. Leaving EU will have no effect on non EU immigration.

EU free movement is a condition of access to the single market. If the vote is out, and we want access to the single market we have to allow free moment.

Brexit can not show any alternative that allows us free access to the EU market that can be done with out free movement.

World markets are open to us now, but we need the EU trade.

No its not MY gaffe...Its YOU..You didn''t read it right, you thick chav..

You're one thick turd will10...

"Non EU immigration is under control. Leaving EU will have no effect on non EU immigration"...

Non EU immigration is under control..What planet are you on??

The border conrtols are 'NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE'...We need a government
that wants to stop uncontrolled immigration, not just make soundbites.

This country can't deport ILLEGALS due to the ECHR, and abject failures at
deporting those who we could deport but never do...

Anybody know a Razor wire manufacturing company with cheap shares?

Grannyboy

Read again.

I said non EU migration is under UK control. That means the migrants here that are not from the EU are here in full knowledge of the UK. It is the responsibily of the UK government that they are here. Nothing to do with the EU. Leaving the EU will not change non EU migration.
Complain about it to the UK authorities. Being in or out of the EU will not change it.
Our government invites non EU migrants to the country to fill vacant jobs.
Refugees are another matter.

Wil.

He won't believe you!

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:02 - 2 of 2462

If we exit : this illegal immigration can be stopped....that's a plus in my opinion....

Not so. The 'illegal' immigration being stopped has nothing to do with the EU membership. It is illegal now and will be illegal later whether we are in EU or not. It is the legal immigration that people don't like. There is a good chance that any trade deal with the EU will involve free movement of people in and out of the UK. That principle is fundamental to the EU.

I did read it right, but you edited it.

But to your claim in post 2461, "I said non EU immigration is under control"

NO its not, they are not all Doctors or nurses...Most are economic migrants or claim to be students at fake colleges.

Grannyboy

The UK government has a series of qualifications that allow non EU migrants to enter and work in the UK.

Nurses, in short supply here , can be recruited overseas and authorisation to work in the UK will be given by the UK government. Where a UK employer has a requirement for an employee that can not be meet in the UK, an overseas migrant will be permitted to live and work here. (Eg Bank of England Govenor). There is constant pressure to allow skilled workers to fill vacant posts here.
If the migrant is not from the EU he/she, if they meet the UK qualifying criteria, will be classed as a non EU migrant.

Latest figures show that 2015 nett migration is split almost 50/50 between non EU migrants and EU migrants.

You may not like it , or not approve of the numbers involved, but the UK does control non EU migration.

Illegal migration, not recorded in the latest figures is also the responsibily of the UK to control.
Free movement is a requirement of membership of the single EU market.

Even if we vote out, access back into the EU market will require free movement.

Brexit can not show any other way to access the EU market.

Grannyboy

No I did not edit. You misread.

That poll is very bad news for Haystack and wills. Not to mention Dave :-)

Not bad news for me. I want to leave the EU.

I think I heard one of the worst arguments ever for staying in the EU tonight just before I left the pub.

No time to debate it with him but now I've had a think about since getting home it doesn't make sense.

His daughter is in USA doing last year of degree but has to leave when her education finishes and can't work there unless she been there three years. He says if she had studied in EU she could have worked , stayed , blah blah blah.

Surely :

1 - if she had wanted to study/get a job in EU that's where she would have gone (only my mate/his daughter can answer that) but she went to USA.

2 - Hasn't the EU been trying to sort a trade deal etc (including this type of thing) with the US for 10 years with no agreement ?

So because she gotta come home after studying in USA as she not allowed to work there the EU is better cos she could have / can work there.

.. geez i've had a few but he's a bleedin lecturer and I'm a thicko (according to my kids), am I missing something here ?

Dil if you can come home tanked up at 2.24 in the morning and write a post as long and coherent as that your not thick :)
I wouldn't be able to switch the computer on.

delete

http://www.malcolmjonesukip.uk/

'Call me Dave' (snake oil salesman) wants to call a truce on all his dodgy
claims and says we should all be civil.

Its strange he wants to be all nice and chummy, wonder if its anything
to do with 'PURDAH' coming into force yesterday, when the government can't
use government dept's for their biased reports or the pro-eu mandarins of the
treasury dept and its documents.

We'l see how civil he intends to be a couple of days before the referendum
when the IMF are due to do a 'Pro-EU' press conference....

Mr Miliband also told BBC Breakfast that polls suggested younger people were more likely to vote to remain in the EU by three to one, and that older people should "heed the wisdom of the young".

"heed the wisdom of the young" The patronising twat

Alders, what do you expect from a man who can stab his own brother in the back! And is a Labour MP?