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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 16:17 - 2475 of 6906

Here comes the next flotilla!

BRUSSELS, (PIC)-- The European campaign to end the Gaza siege announced Wednesday that it obtained the funding of the first three ships of the new aid convoy to the besieged Gaza Strip, which will be named "Freedom Flotilla 2.

There are extensive calls to launch a new convoy to Gaza involving many ships and carrying on board more aid and more peace activists than the current Freedom Flotilla, which was carrying 10, 000 tons of aid and hundreds of passengers from more than 40 countries around the world.

It started to receive hundreds of requests from different people and parties around the world asking for participating in and providing support for Freedom Flotilla 2, which will sail for Gaza in the next few weeks.

The committee added that Israels assault on the current convoy augmented the enthusiasm of the worlds free people to help in sending more convoys to Gaza.

There are preparations for organizing an aid convoy by land from Algeria to Gaza.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 16:48 - 2476 of 6906

Reports on RT that the next flotilla will be accompanied by Turkish navy gunboats.

Turkey is, of course, part of NATO. If the Turkish Navy do accompany the next flotilla and a conflict ensues, Turkey are then entitled to invoke the NATO charter and things then get very ugly for all of Europe and the USA - NATO would have to chose between going to war against Israel or breaking up.

Boy are those diplomatic hotlines going to be burning right now.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 16:58 - 2477 of 6906

I think ugly for Israel would be the case.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 17:01 - 2478 of 6906

Haystack - Maybe. Personally, I think it's more likely that Turkey will not send the naval escort. I think we have a war of words right now that will calm down when the legalities and facts have been properly reviewed.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 17:02 - 2479 of 6906

In London, UK Prime Minister David Cameron said Israel's raid was "completely unacceptable" and called for the blockade of Gaza to be lifted.

The blockade "just strengthens Hamas's grip on Gaza", he told the British Parliament.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 17:05 - 2480 of 6906

I wonder what the international community could do to provide the guarantees that Israel would need before they could lift the blockade? It's quite clear why Israel have to blockade - but if the same ends can be reliably achieved in another way I'm sure Israel would be delighted to pass the headache to someone else.

MightyMicro - 02 Jun 2010 17:08 - 2481 of 6906

Hmm. NATO didn't rush to assist France and Britain during Suez in 1956. Equally, NATO hasn't helped Turkey in its incursions into Northern Iraq to bomb the Kurds.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 17:10 - 2482 of 6906

They are blockading to stop arms arriving in Gaza, at least that is what they are pretending to do. Mind you that shouldn't permit Israel to stop food, medical supplies and construction materials from entering Gaza, which is what they are doing.

However nothing is done to stop Israel from receiving arms.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 17:26 - 2483 of 6906

There are problems with Turkey these days. For one they are getting ever closer to Iran and Syria. I believe that at the end of last year at around November time, Turkey agreed to share intelligence on Israel with Iran. They have agreed to pass intelligence data to Iran on potential Israeli preparations for a strike and on US military movements in the Middle East for providing backup. A bit naughty as they are members of NATO!

Of course just the other day Turkey agreed to encrich 1,200 kg of its stockpile of low-enriched uranium in exchange for 120 kg of uranium enriched to a higher level. The deal fell though due to the level requested, but looks like going ahead now.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 17:40 - 2484 of 6906

I have heard that two more ships could be leaving for Gaza within the next 48 hours.

aldwickk - 02 Jun 2010 19:29 - 2485 of 6906

When was NATO formed ? don't remember it at the time of Suez.

What time was Prime Ministers question time on today ?

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 19:43 - 2486 of 6906

Nato agreement signed April 1949.

Suez created a split in NATO largely because Britain didn't tell the US what they were about to do. Some coutries suggested ejecting Britain and France from NATO. The US threatened to sell sterling bonds and cause a devaluation of the pound. The US persuaded Saudi to start an oil embargo against Britain and France. Other NATO allies also refused to sell oil to Britain or France. The results is that we caved in. Public opinion was for Egypt and we were seen as the bullies.

Prime Ministers Question was on at 3pm today later than usual. Cameron did quite well, although he is getting a free ride as Harman is a bit soft.

Fred1new - 02 Jun 2010 20:45 - 2487 of 6906

Hays,

Don't worry, when Cameron fails, the cons. can fall back on Clegg as PM.

8---)

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 21:57 - 2488 of 6906

A British expert analysis - Channel 4's Jon Snow with former royal marine and marine security expert Peter Cook.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 22:06 - 2489 of 6906

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fahel - 02 Jun 2010 22:17 - 2490 of 6906

Soon you will hear that a big bomb explosion somewhere in Israel killed lot of civilian inside Israel. (The Israeli CIA always used this way to cover other issues), this is for sure going to be in the coming few days and as always done by a Palestinian terrorist.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 22:46 - 2491 of 6906

Thanks for that comedy moment fahel. You really are a cartoon of yourself.

The rocket attacks into Israel have been running at a dozen a week for the last 12 months. Down 90% (from 120 a week) since the blockade began. There's quite enough explosions in Israel already.

Haystack - 02 Jun 2010 23:22 - 2492 of 6906

I suppose that when the Palestinians fire rockets they would use the same argument as Israel, that they were just defending themselves. The area that is being settled is their land so in that case they are defending it.

Gausie - 02 Jun 2010 23:31 - 2493 of 6906

Haystack

They might try to claim that they were just defending themselves; that they are firing rockets at civilians because if they don't they'll surely and immediately die at the hands of those civilians. But only a complete fool would buy it. Or propose it.

You're keen on telling us that you have a son who got into a very good school. Is he adopted? Or is his mother exceptionally bright?

Clubman3509 - 03 Jun 2010 08:15 - 2494 of 6906

Isreal needs to be taught a lesson over their terrorist act. Make them pay for what they have done. String up that arrogent Prime Minister for starters
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