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how can you accuse me of being misleading and then go and agree with me that seo made the idea workable? seo lost the case .fact.but they had a reasonable arguement that they made the idea work.i still dont understand why bprg waited four years though?its not so seo could iron out any problems and make the idea into something companies would want, is it? as far as i can see seo havent really made any money from the technology so how much have bprg lost out on ?the feeling i get is that the judge is more angry that an seo director ( i think ) lied in his court. that could do more damage than the actual claim. judges dont like that. will be so f**king happy when its all over . its such a small part of seo and there is so much good to come from seo but this is taking up the spotlight and moving the focus away from the massive potential of seo.

Bosley - let's see what the Judge decides and his reasons..! Ingel was SEO's big thing when first announced. Now it is apparently small beer. I don't think so given the size of Cardinal Health but let's hope SEO can get some takers for its tray trials.

its not all bad news, even though they have marked price down there is still healthy demand with buys outweighing sells

Don't like to see people have a bad time when it comes to shares, but the smug Bioprogress bastards who took the piss out of SEO share holders after the court case may have the smile wiped off their faces come the end of next year. Let's hope alll the things SEO are working on come off.

easy jacks. who says it has to be one or the other ? i know if i had some spare cash now i would be buying bprg as well as seo. lots of good things in the future for bprg .but it will be a while before they are making profit.

Both companies should do well... Invest in both and make money on both...

buys outweighing sells 2 to 1 and the price is down? dont think i will ever understand these shenanigans

well well well. seo finished up for the day . unbelievable . four days in a row . one more and i guess its a mention in shares mag as a five day consecutive climber.

last trade of the day....750,000 at 5.75p...confidence increasing........

Agree with all posts 250-252, BPRG and SEO both have a bright future. Buy SEO at 4-6p, it won't matter but where the hell do you buy BPRG right now???
I have sentiment for Jacks comments as some BPRG holders are stuck up their own arses and think they can crush SEO and claim loads of damages, is this the desperation as the only way to make some profit at the moment??
The market might see through a loss next year, bouyed up by some compensation payments. FACT is that SEO have a masive potential profit earner.
BONES, technology companies have to continue moving forward and that is why SEO long-term holders are feeling good right now, we have a product the packaging market wants AND needs.
Luckily for BPRG, you might get a gift-wrapped technology that you couldn't develop and could deliver you some profit but there is a lesson here for others.
If BPRG approach you to discuss technology, tell the sneaky bastards to Foxtrot Oscar as they might wait for you to develop it and then claim it for themselves.
Sneaky, surely not but as a recent poster on BPRG bb stated, notice Mr Hind sold a shed load of shares at 125p before your crash!!!! I'm sure he had his own genuine reasons.
Good Luck anyway!!

hello all . been a good week for us , may there be many , many more.as for next week and upto the claim settlement , i really have no idea what will happen . scenario a , the price continues moving gently upwards then falls when the damamges claim is announced.how far will it fall? back to this weeks levels? further?will it fall? even looking at the charts not much comes over. ths share is volatile, but then again , aint no seo holder sitting on a 50% loss ( sorry to bprg holders, just had to get that in).i cannot see seo crumbling and dying as some people on the other side seem to think.personally , i just want it over.

Andy - sneaky way of putting it but I would never give credit to a thief that stole my car and souped it up to run faster, even if I did get a better vehicle returned to me :)

BPRG have a lot of other technologies and in any case all SEO did was to perfect a sealing method for one of them, an idea thought of by BPRG but for which they did not have the RF expertise. BPRG have since developed another way anyway and Wyeth are looking at that now. The point of the court case was a matter of principle but also I suspect to prevent a competitor (Cardinal) stealing a march with stolen property. Don't forget Wyeth are also a Cardinal customer.

I agree the CEO's sale was untimely!

Anyway, as you say, SEO are developing other technologies albeit all at trial stage. I hope they succeed for the investors' sake. Good luck with it.

No Bosley, I am not sitting on a 50% loss (but some johnny-come-latelies are) as I have been in since mid-2003 but you are entitled to fire that one at us. SEO's and BPRG's charts are like the proverbial whore's drawers. Currently, we are around the ankles while you are up past the knees.......!

yes we are bones, getting ever closer to the taste of honey!!! mmmmmmmmmmm!!!i should also point out that seo packaging technology is long past trial stage . it is being used by packaging companies, such as grampian foods. its on full scale trials with asda , yes , but as far i am concerned , all trials have been successful so far. also if a thief did steal my car and souped it up for me i would certainly give him credit.

Not sure SEO thieved this anyway, they were approached in the first place.
Either way, when it's all done Both SEO and BPRG should move forward as both have good products. This should reward loyal holders of both.
Note that both companies have seniors taking options and selling shares, although this can appear sneaky, taking "options" does provide capital for the companies and the individuals may have to sell straight away to fund them in the first place?

why do peeps keep saying all at trial stage..........
as far as i can tell Reiser isn't a trial, its conversion of minimum 100
machines in the 1st year.......
100x 40,000(conversion cost)= 4m
100x 35,000(licence fee)= 3.5m
Increase in turnover of 7.5m in 1st year.......
that'll do for starters.......

yes it'll do for BPRG as well when they get their hands on SEO after the damages are awarded.very nice indeed for bprg shareholders..which by the way are very very cheap indeed.

Oh yes, another BPRG holder hoping for big damages from SEO,Amazing how this is the most liekly way BPRG will make a profit!!! Even then they probably won't, Still, should be pin money to SEO with the future ahead. SEO holders will reap their rewards in the next few years, BPRG still loss-making? Who will you blame it on then eh? No doubt you can discuss this on several hundred messages every day. Only one way to trade BPRG now, get in when cheap and sell at over a 1 then wait for next cycle. In fact might do this, raise more profits to put on a winner next year, more shares in SEO!!!!
What do reckon Bosley and other faithful SEO holders?

I am an seo holder but this baiting of BPRG serves no purpose. I would have thought the key was how much any award to BPRG might be and whether it will be sizeable enough to effect the performance of either business. if its not, then the price is likely to move in line with the reported and perceived performance of each company. I think the city would have intelligent legal minds and if SEO were to be taken to the cleaners there would be a lot more blood on the walls.SEO do not seem to have benefited from BPRG's "knowledge" and they have a good product that large supermarkets seem very keen to sign up.It seems a corny phrase but i think where we are is an accurate reflection of the cuurent status but i think one more company signing up to SEO and the penny could drop with the city of just how good SEO potential is, and the price could really move on. IMO

i am seo holder and bprg. The most the damages will be is around 1/2m, so the loser will be bprg. seo have already put this money aside for the damages. bprg were offered an out of court settlement but were stupid not to take it they will still end up losing financially as the trading update said it has cost them over 3m on this case and for what beneficial gain? just principal! thats a lot of money to waste on principal an out of court settlement would have made the same statement and it would have been all profit and an end to the saga.