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Good to hear you've got it all finished Gaz. And with time to spare for a nice cold one.
You are right re tempting to swim myself as I was in until my shorts paddling along with the dogs. :-)

Back to business. I've got a few good links for you

Here's the latest bill Holter

http://blog.milesfranklin.com/the-button-has-been-pushed-ready-or-not


Alert for the second half of 2013 – Global systemic crisis II: second devastating explosion/social outburst on a worldwide scale

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-76-is-available-Alert-for-the-second-half-of-2013-Global-systemic-crisis-II-second-devastating-explosion-social_a14266.html


Jim Rogers: I Bought More Gold Today…Bull Market Far From Over
This is the full Ed Steer's daily update with link (I usually don't get that)

http://www.caseyresearch.com/gsd/edition/jim-rogers-i-bought-more-gold-today...bull-market-far-from-over

Arian Silver stops milling at third-party site...guess it was inevitable.

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/58361/arian-silver-stops-milling-at-third-party-site-58361.html

Doesn't bode well. With no revenues coming in, how are they going to cover expenses let alone the cost of this new mill they;re talking about. Any chan ce there will be BOD salary cuts?

Expect a highly dilutive placing, on top of the ongoing Seda drawdown for working cap expenses in my opinion.

Err omce - AGQ just made a sound decision - let me post the RNS as your post isn't exactly accurate. Theres a history to all this. I don't like misleading nformation as the best bits you've chosen to leave out - now why do that?

FOR: ARIAN SILVER CORPORATION

TSX VENTURE, AIM SYMBOL: AGQ
FRANKFURT SYMBOL: I3A

June 25, 2013

Operations Update

LONDON, ENGLAND--(Marketwired - June 25, 2013) - Arian Silver Corporation ("Arian" or the "Company") (TSX
VENTURE:AGQ)(AIM:AGQ)(FRANKFURT:I3A), a silver exploration, development and production company with a focus on
projects in the Zacatecas silver belt of Mexico, announces today it has ceased toll milling at the third-party-
owned Juan Reyes toll mill by mutual consent with the mill-owner.

Jim Williams, Chief Executive Officer of Arian, commented today, "In the context of current metal prices, we
are preserving value by halting milling operations and, with the knowledge obtained from the toll milling
operations, positioning the Company to resume production with its own mill at a significantly reduced cost
base.

Having successfully terminated the Juan Reyes toll mill contract without penalty, we are focussed on concluding
the financing package to facilitate the acquisition of the second-hand custom mill and funding mine development
to increase capacity up to 1,500 tonnes per day.

The second-hand custom mill is expected to deliver cost savings of some 75% compared to previous toll milling
operations, which, alongside the additional revenue from lead and zinc credits, would produce considerable
profits even at today's silver price."

The exclusive option to acquire the second-hand custom mill, as first reported in March, has been extended at
no cost, until mid-August.

Discussions relating to the financing package continue to advance and an update will be provided at the
appropriate time.

The foregoing release contains forward-looking statements that can be identified by terminology such as "will,"
"would," "expected," "potential," "would be," or similar expressions. Such forward-looking statements reflect
the current views of management regarding future events, and involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and
other factors that may cause the outcome of events to be materially different from management's current
expectations. There can be no guarantee of the outcome of either the fundraising or the due diligence
programmes. Forecast estimated operating costs are taken from the Company's Technical Report Update dated 23
May 2013. Metal prices as at 21 June 2013: Silver: $19.65/oz (source: LBMA London Silver Fix); Lead: $2017/t
(source: LME); Zinc: $1809/t (source: LME). Arian will make additional releases in respect of the foregoing,
but does not undertake to update any metals prices or forward-looking statements in this document should one or
more risks or uncertainties materialise, or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, or actual results
may vary materially from those anticipated, believed, estimated or expected.

Neither the TSX Venture Exchange nor its Regulation Services Provider (as that term is defined in the policies
of the TSX Venture Exchange) and no stock exchange, securities commission or other regulatory authority accepts
responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release nor approved or disapproved of the information
contained herein.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT:

Arian Silver Corporation
Jim Williams
CEO
(London) +44 (0)20 7887 6599
jwilliams@ariansilver.com

OR
Arian Silver Corporation
David Taylor
Company Secretary
(London) +44 (0)20 7887 6599
dtaylor@ariansilver.com

OR

Grant Thornton Corporate Finance
Gerry Beaney / Philip Secrett / David Hignell
(London) +44 (0)20 7383 5100
gerry.d.beaney@uk.gt.com

OR
Yellow Jersey PR Limited
Dominic Barretto
(London) +44 (0)7768537739
dominic@yellowjerseypr.com

OR

XCAP Securities PLC
Jon Belliss
(London) +44 (0)20 7101 7070
jon.belliss@xcapgroup.com

OR

CHF Investor Relations
Juliet Heading
(Canada) +1 416 868 1079 x 239
juliet@chfir.com

Arian Silver Corporation

Just to quickly refer back to Bill Holter's piece. It's a peach and it certainly makes you think ahead a little..... a lot actually.

Over dinner, we sat down at the table and discussed Bill's question.....

Please ask yourself this question, “If I woke up this Monday morning, today, in retrospect, and the world had blown up financially over the weekend where the banks did not open for whatever reason…would I have been ready for it?” Maybe a bad question because NO ONE can ever really be ready for it but have you done everything that you think necessary? This is a very real question. What would you be doing right now if the banks didn’t open this morning? Would you go to work? Would you be going nuts and trying to scramble to figure out a way to buy food for the next week? Would you be calling your broker to see if they could cut you a check (which no bank could cash until “later”)? What would you be doing?


Funnily enough, we had never thought about it all in this way. I am a prepper so a lot is taken care of, but to actually plan that day with this in mind we never had done before.
It certainly makes for a very interesting table conversation and it looks like we're on a very similar wave length, which helps :-)

Have any of you thought about it in such a way? And if so what would you do?

Gaz - that cool swim would have been good - mineral water good for skin & hair.

I'm on water - can't afford to dehydrate here. We drink 20 litres a week plus mineral sparkling with freshly squeezed lemons which cleanse insides. In this heat digestion is paramount. Eat lots of fresh fruit & salads & vegies. Fish is excellent.

So 1 Tiger is enough for the taste. After that water for safety's sake. We will notch up to 50 = 130 over next few weeks. But we get our first visit home soon so that will break it up a bit.

Writing helps to keep brain focussed & just started reading a Kate Atkinson book - "started early, took my dog" - which is hilarious, about a female retired police officer in the North of England. I'd recommend it Snurks - it's a woman/man's read. Very funny.

Right - how's silver doing. We need all mines on lockdown & let china sweat for a wee while.

It's called the Western Stick!

omce, what's your agenda? At least have the courtesy to spout your AGQ rubbish on the AGQ thread.
Thanks squirrel for putting him straight.

Snurks - I think the miners that can will & should go on lockdown. Preserve reserves, cash etc.

Pretty much like your dinner conversation.

We put several safety nets in place. The main thing for us would be getting home. After that we'd survive.

I think those dependent on credit or up to their eyes in debt will be forced to either go bust or broker new deals. Governments included. Interest rates will go up as risk is factored in more. As we see with Greece, Italy so often.

Right now China is the enemy. They won't get everything their own way. Who knows maybe the west will start manufacturing Ipads in the North West of the UK & bring much needed jobs. Preston uni is one of the top technology centres where many chinese kids are educated. Why go home? Just set up factories along the M6?

China now needs to think long & hard. If the Fed stops printing......it's game over for the East too.

Gulp!

Jeff Nielson's latest. It makes a good read

Surging Silver Sentiment Signals Spiral

http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/silver-commentary/26270-surging-silver-sentiment-signals-spiral

Oh my they are desperate. What a drop in price overnight when everyone is asleep...

Into the abyss for those holding stop losses.

We are at war Snurks.

Here's a part of a reply from Jeff Nielson to one of his subscribers, which I hadn't thought of but it really makes sense. 2 + 2 does make 4 :-)


The concept of "economic supply" is entirely illusory. It is based on the same misconception as people who discuss how most silver is produced as a by product like this is some NATURAL state of affairs.

ALL metals (except literal "rare earths") should be primarily produced from primary mining. When that is NOT the case it is an indication that the metal is substantially under-priced.

Throughout history, most silver has been produced from primary silver mining. The ONLY reason this has not been the case for more than a quarter-century is the RADICAL under-pricing of silver.

Put a zero behind the current price, and I assure you that the distinction of an "economic supply" vanishes entirely, AND the vast majority of the world's silver would come from primary mining

Err omce - AGQ just made a sound decision - let me post the RNS as your post isn't exactly accurate. Theres a history to all this. I don't like misleading nformation as the best bits you've chosen to leave out - now why do that?

My post was entirely accurate. And I linked the Proactive link, with those other bits you mention because I was under the assumption I wouldn't have to spell everything out.

I have no agenda. In fact, if you must know I was one of the optimists on the AGQ who continued to support JW through thick and thin.

Fangorn is my advfn name.

So how are we going to afford this second hand mill if we aren't even producing or selling any Silver at all. The share price has already fallen sub 5p/sh. Anyone not sitting on a massive loss in this one now?


omce, what's your agenda? At least have the courtesy to spout your AGQ rubbish on the AGQ thread. Thanks squirrel for putting him straight.

Snurkle. My post was factual. Please show me exactly what I have said in my post that is not 100% correct.

And I have no agenda - was merely reporting the news so there's no need to be so rude. As far as I can see the AGQ thread here is dead.

hi,
Any chartists out there want to hazard a guess where the bottom SP for silver will be or is it that market conditions are such that charts are useless at times like these?

Alex

Robert,

There is a super chartist next door

http://uk.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=9688630#firstpost

and you are right, TPTB have their manipulation sticks out for their own means, so not much use really.

Probably see the bottom of 2008 before we'll move up

Hmm AGQ down 17.6% despite all the good news yesterday!

FYG Squirrel. I went bearish at the point a Seda was announced with YA Global. prior to that I was optimistic things would work out. So no hidden agenda - I still hold. Long term I see PM's reflecting the real world.The question is will AGQ make it.

I wondered why you were so quiet today Squirrel. Now I know why.

I find it ironic that those who claim others are being overly aggressive in their communication subsequently engage in the very same themselves. Accusations fly that I have an agenda merely because I disagree with your opinion and that I am overly aggressive in my comments...

Yet here we see you engage in the very same tactics!!!!

squirrel888 26 Jun'13 - 11:49 - 37957 of 37961 0 0
Well either sell and go away or hold & shut up.

Stop telling people to sell - you or anyone else are not qualified to give that advice.

I don't have a personal beef with you but find it outrageous that you bandy about such claims whilst engaging in said hypocrisy yourself without batting an eyelid.

As someone who is qualified to give advice I can't actually see where Frankel has ever said we should all sell. From what I can see all he has done is point out the perceived negatives of AGQ. That intself is not worthy of you whinging to the company's management, claiming he is defaming Arian or whatever other ridiculous trumped up charges you have been throwing around.

And I certainly don't think Frankel is off the mark with his...

frankel2 26 Jun'13 - 11:57 - 37959 of 37961 0 0

I believe it will be exceptionally difficult for Arian to secure funding. Or on sensible terms. They've been trying to raise cash since January. What does that tell you?
With silver prices dropping like a stone and a weak, inexperienced CEO at the helm (he's a geologist); just who in their right mind is going to loan them $10m?

Snurkle - re thoughts on - when the SHTF

Hard part is deciding what plan/preparedness level you are aiming at
- 24hr power cut
- Cyprus style 2 week banking shutdown
- Martial Law
- or the ...full monty.. eg Mad Max Scenario

To show how "just in time" everything is geared up for today - during the Petrol Tanker Strike a few years back....the supermarket went to No10 - and said if they didn't break/settle the strike ....there was only 3 DAYS supply left in the distribution chain.
(A phrase bandied about at the time ....9 Meals away from starvation beginning)

To give a further example - of what I think could be a major problem - in even a mildly protracted "event" ie mob/gangs with nothing....seeking out the prepper...haves......
- This is how Americans are set up
- I would imagine much of the UK falls in the same category.

Right now we seem to be living in a "hope bubble" and people have become very complacent. For a while there, being a "prepper" was very trendy, but now concern about a coming economic crisis seems to have subsided. What a tragic mistake. As I pointed out yesterday, our entire financial system is a giant Ponzi scheme, and there are already signs that our financial markets are about to implode once again.

Those that have not made any preparations for what is coming are going to regret it bitterly. The following are 17 signs that most Americans will be wiped out by the coming economic collapse...

#1 According to a survey that was just released,
- 76 percent of all Americans are living..... paycheck to paycheck.

#2 - 27 percent of all Americans ....do not have even ....a single penny saved up.

#3 - 46 percent of all Americans have $800 .....or less saved up.

#4 Less than one out of every four Americans has enough money stored away to cover six months of expenses.

#5 Wages continue to fall even as the cost of living continues to go up. Today,
- the average income for the bottom 90 percent of all income earners in America
- is just $31,244.
An increasing percentage of American families are just trying .....to find a way to survive.... from month to month.

#6 - 62 percent of all middle class Americans say that....... they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.

#7 - Small business is becoming an endangered species in America. In fact, only about 7 percent of all non-farm workers in the United States are self-employed at this point.
- That means
- that the vast majority of Americans are depending..... on someone else to provide them with an income.
- But what is going to happen as those jobs disappear?

#8 In 1989, the debt to income ratio of the average American family was about.... 58 percent.
- Today it is up to ..154 percent.

#9 Today, a higher percentage of Americans are dependent on the government than ever before. In fact, according to the U.S. Census Bureau
- 49 percent of.... all Americans..... live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.
- So what is going to happen when the government handout gravy train comes to an end?

#10 Back in the 1970s, about ...one out of every 50.... Americans was on food stamps.
- Today, about.... one out of every 6.5...... Americans is on food stamps.

#11 It is estimated that less than 10 percent of the U.S. population owns any gold or silver for investment purposes.

#12 It has been estimated that there are approximately 3 million "preppers" in the United States. But that means that almost everyone else is not prepping.
(Ie the other ....275 millions - have NO PLANS)

#13 - 44 percent ...of all Americans do not have...... first-aid kits in their homes.

#14 - 48 percent..... of all Americans .....do not have any.... emergency supplies stored up.

#15 - 53 percent of all Americans.... do not have "a 3 day "....supply of nonperishable food and water in their homes.

#16 One survey asked Americans how long they thought they would survive if the electrical grid went down for an extended period of time. Incredibly,....
- 21 percent said that they would survive for... less than a week,
- an additional 28 percent.... said that they would survive for... less than two weeks,
- and nearly 75 percent.... said that they would be... dead
- before the two month mark.

#17 According to a survey conducted by the Adelphi University Center for Health Innovation, 55 percent of Americans believe that the government will come to their rescue when disaster strikes.

Just because you are living a comfortable middle class lifestyle today does not mean that it will always be that way.

If you doubt this, take a look at what is going on in Greece. Many formerly middle class parents in Greece have become so impoverished
- that they are actually.... dumping their children.... at orphanages
- so that they won't starve...

Scores of children have been put in orphanages and care homes for economic reasons; one charity said.... 80 of the 100 children.... in its residential centres
- were there because their families - can no longer provide for them.

Ten percent..... of Greek children are said to be ....at risk of hunger.
- Teachers talk of cancelling PE lessons because
- children are underfed and of seeing pupils ........pick through bins for food.

That account I find very chilling

-and suggests just how quickly "civilisation begins to collapse"
- and how "soon after" humans would then begin to revert to "type behaviour"...ie animal
(As Celente puts it - when people lose everything - then they...lose it)

And certainly the above paints a - Grim Picture, that...

The vast majority of Americans are going to be........ absolutely blindsided
- by what is coming.
- They don't understand how our financial system works,
- they don't understand how vulnerable it is,
- and most of them blindly trust that our leaders
- & think they know exactly what they are doing
(and that they will be able to fix our problems).

As a result, most Americans are simply not prepared
- for the massive storm that is heading our way.

So, that said & moving on - what happens if the situation collapses so far
- that people descend so far that they reach - "revert to type" - ie animals and ...truly "lose it ??

Here is an alledged account of a "survivor

- of when The Serbs besieged Sarajevo (For I believe around 12m)

http://www.prudence-not-paranoia.com/2013/05/16/bosnia-war-survivor-warns-of-things-to-come-in-collapse-of-america/

So within only a few "very recent" years of our immediae history - a EUROPEAN Country - was.......
- as near as damn it - at Defcon ...."Mad Max"

Quite a horrific account.

So - what level do you think ....might be coming down the track...is probably step One - of any plan.

A "starting point" - checklist - to perhaps dealing with - an inconvenient & mildy unpleasant - "event" - is laid out in the attached list....in this link

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/25-things-that-you-should-do-to-get-prepared-for-the-coming-economic-collapse

As I mentioned at the beginning - as time goes on....

No - 20 Self-Defense - would grow increasingly...in relevance & importance

In the years ahead, being able to defend
- your home
- and your family is going to become increasingly important.
- When.... the economy crashes,
- people are going to start to become...... very desperate.
And desperate people...... do desperate things.


Wow that was a bit epic - so will leave it at that for now - and "HOPE" it's just a work of.....acedemic theory.

Great post Gaz. You've had a day off I presume? :-)

Oh dear omce is fanghorn. So I was out today sharing time with a French friend - very kind & intelligent with a very good insight into the whole of Europe.

I've just discovered the squelch button on here. Brilliant - I don't have to read anymore bs from psychos who scream everything is terrible, we should sell & then admit they are holders & that PMs will recover.

Marvellous.

Gaz - excellent stuff & confirms some of our conversation today.

Found the squelch button too.....
Fanghorn filtered on advfn so filtered here.

Amazing how suddenly the bear abusive club have arrived next door too.