Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The knock on effects are not that serious in terms of the companies I mentioned as they would still be doing business here. Starbucks etc are not going to shut down business. They would just have to stump up.

Manuel,

"sorry, but you cannot mix legality and morality"

You do spout some rubbish.

It may have been "legally right" to put Jews in Concentration camps or Russian dissidents in gulags.

Laws have a moral basis. What that morality is, is often questionable, as is acquiescence to them.

Hiding behind an immoral law does not excuse the action if it is itself immoral.

But, one is legally entitled to have ones own personal morality.

I have been checking on the EU aspects. Any tax laws including corporation tax must be compatible with EU laws and directives and cannot treat individuals or companies in a discriminatory way.

one is legally entitled to have ones own personal morality.
quite so, and you can choose to squander by giving extra money to the exchequer if you so choose (damn stupid) or, if legally avoiding tax sticks in your moral craw, then why not give the "extra" to a genuine charity of your choice (the moral alternative)?

GF just for you have just had a phone call from the nhs and they are sending out some person to try out a new treatment for circulation problems but my wife must be their . 5pm tomorrow . its in its early days and I have agreed to try it out .

A frontal lobotomy?

Manuel,

"one is legally entitled to have one’s own personal morality.

quite so, and you can choose to squander by giving extra money to the exchequer if you so choose (damn stupid) or, if legally avoiding tax sticks in your moral craw, then why not give the "extra" to a genuine charity of your choice (the moral alternative)?"



“Squander”!



Are you being pejorative in order to justify “avoidance of tax” on income earned at the expense and support of the society in general?

(The support of which enables one to “earn” one’s income with a reasonable degree of personal “security”.)


Fortunately, one is just a speck in the society which supports one. At the end of the day, you are more dependent on it for survival, than society is on you.

But, how you support it (taxation) also effects how it supports you.

Are you the best judge of how the “tax” should be used?

Utilising charities to clean ones "soul" of a social responsibility, which “should” be accepted, does not seem a satisfactory route.


You seem to hold to the following belief:

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

― Robert A. Heinlein


There is a price for everything and anarchy is one of them.

Manuel.

You and dreams are OK though.

“It isn't against the Law to be an idiot.”

― Cassandra Clare, Clockwork Angel

Quiz: Could you be president of Iran?

Cynic, shut up and pay your taxes like I do and 90% of the rest of the population.

facts.........

1.Just 2% of the total welfare budget is attributable to unemployed and sick.

2.Welfare slippage is just £3 billion, £1 billion claimant fraud, £2 billion Civil Service error

3. Tax avoidance in the range of £5 billion to £7 billion,

4. Tax evasion £70 billion to £90 billion.

CONCLUSION...... robbing thieving tax dodgers (both avoiders and evaders) should pay up and stop hiding behind the morality argument.

i am more than happy to be thought an idiot ...... that way, when i occasionally do something intelligent, everyone is amazed

in your favour, i think you are merely contrary for effect - your prerogative; and it's not immoral either! - whereas i am more than glad to see that that nasty specimen Village Idiot has seemingly been sent to the gulag (or worse), and legally!

hey sticky - go wash your mouth out! .... of course i pay my tax, but have taken some modest avoidance - e.g. pension scheme etc - as i am sure you have too .....

however, it's a shame that the other side of the coin (HMRC VAT) is not quite so eager to admit error and lack of application of their own rules ..... like Lloyds, they clearly work on the principle that if they never reply, the plaintiff will eventually give up (no chance!)

Nope paid the full 50% and now 45%.

And proud to pay it and help my country.

Cynic,

i am more than happy to be thought an idiot ...... that way, when i occasionally do something intelligent, everyone is amazed


I know the feeling and the response.

But it is nice to know my grandson still looks up to me.


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He is still a foot shorter.

How much of it goes to help this country ?

Well agreed but thats another debate.

Just cant do with people discharging their responsibilities to this country.

Surely it wouldnt have happended during the 2nd world war,otherwise Hitlers boys would be ruling us now, and one could argue that the debt we face is probably the biggest threat to the economic stability this country has ever faced.

A lot of it goes to 'help' other countries gf !

how nice to have lively discussion among mutual-dissenters without it descending into racist and spitefully personal abuse

Yep I know, if you look at an earlier Camoron post.

Sounds like your missing him cyners and trying to goad him back.