Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i didn't ask for any celebration and nor was i asking for any applause ..... i merely commented on stuff that i actually know first hand

the rig builder was on BBC1 Breakfast this morning and the other chap is my local plumber who is currently doing some work for me.

the first example is easily checked out and for sure they aren't joke apprenticeships.
the second example is also genuine ..... you may wish to refer back to an an earlier post wherein i was commenting that "artisans" cannot get fully qualified without the necessary amount of genuine field work, which quality is also checked by the licencing guys

so stop being a stupid old fart who has had some wind knocked out of his sails

Cleggy and the dim/libs might have a few problems with certain sections of the voting public:

Cyner,

P 25998
now that really is a barefaced lie!

Come on Cyners, we all know how close you and and Hazy one are.

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Hays,

In a nutshell:

"Private sector job creation continued to more than outweigh losses in the public sector, though it is worth noting that much of the overall jobs growth in the three months to April was through self-employment.

For those in work, average pay rises excluding bonuses of 0.9% are still well below the rate of inflation.

The squeeze on their spending power continues on a day when the Institute for Fiscal Studies reported that the fall in real wages since 2008 was the biggest for any comparable period."

(This compares with his own and his mates' rise in income and those in the highest earners group in the country.)

Cameron has been out of control of the government for nearly 4years and the actions and economic policies economy he has implemented are a disaster.

He is stimulating it to some degree by probably causing another housing bubble.

As far as his attempt to gloat over the employment figures are concerned I would like to see the earnings of the self employed.

From what I can see many of those are underemployed and searching around for work.

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If he thought anything of the country he would do everybody a favour and resign.

Cyners if you have the details then post them.

For gods sake dont tell me they are these 1 year funded DOE mickey mouse apprenticeships.

Already posted about them and how its all slave labour and kids are sacked after 12 months.

I know for a kick off a plumber does at least 3 years. Is this the case with your mate or is he using the government prog to subsidise his business???

Spot on on Fred....." jobs growth in the three months to April was through self-employment."

Young kids trying to start up in business over 1.5 million and working part time. Usually IT work.

Most of them not a catting else chance of coming good.

Forgotten name for them.......their is one invented a bit like yuppys.

why would i have the contracts - stupid bastard you are!

the one on BBC1 is surely traceable through these gizmos that allow you to play back progs on your computer, so check it out yourself

my plumber is a very straight guy, and he had no reason to embroider any story at all .... we happened to be discussing apprenticeships, particularly as they relate to the building industry in general ..... more specifically we were talking about "building" apprentices acquiring their full qualification certificate

for sure apprentices don't get the same wage as a qualified guy, and that has been so for centuries, but that is not the point of apprenticeships

Ohhh Dear lost it again.

I said he was like Camoron.

Stop being idle and if YOU are going to make claims do the leg work and provide the evidence.

Just wondering now who was the culprit TANKER or CYNIC!!!

fine - you don't want to believe what i write and at least one part of which you can readily find the proof yourself? ....

your problem, not mine and that's your option, even though it is head in the sand stuff because it takes wind from your sails

Just dont believe you then.

I always post back up as does Fred AND for that matter Hays and others.

If you cant be arsed fair enough.

Perhaphs your hiding something.

shrugs shoulders and walks away
suit yourself, but you should know by now that i never lie when posting on this board

Finding work in tough economic times

12 June 2013 Last updated at 10:27 Help
In May, official data showed that unemployment across the UK had started to rise, with the notable exception of Scotland where the number of people out of work fell.

Stephanie McGovern, visited BiFab, a company in Fife which makes oil rig platforms and is planning to take on more workers.

She spoke to jobseeker Christine Hancock and June Menzies from Citizens Advice to get their views on the jobs market.

Labour Market Statistics, June 2013

Didnt say you where lieing, just said you were idle not backing up your findings.

When is a job not a job? The rise of 'zero hours' contracts
Laura Kuenssberg: Business Editor- last updated Tue 2 Apr 2013


http://www.itv.com/news/2013-04-02/when-is-a-job-not-a-job-the-rise-of-zero-hours-contracts/

Considering the amount of time that Cynic spends on here I think it's about time he got a proper "full time" job and not the part-time one he seems to be playing at now and again -):

MaxK..... just made your link live. Place it in box above where chain is.

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-04-02/when-is-a-job-not-a-job-the-rise-of-zero-hours-contracts/ Click on chain icon at side of U.

Copied from above.

This is why one can consider Cameron to be an incompetent liar.

But Osborne seems to have gone into hiding.

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When is a job not a job? The rise of 'zero hours' contracts
Laura Kuenssberg: Business Editor Thumb_laura-kuenssberg
- last updated Tue 2 Apr 2013


For months, experts have puzzled over how the number of people in work has stayed so high, although the economy is stuck in the doldrums.

Tonight, we can reveal part of the answer, as so called "zero hours" contracts have reached a record high.

The number of workers in jobs, but without any guarantee of regular hours or regular pay, has hit 200,000 according to official figures from the Office for National Statistics for ITV News, more than doubling in just under a decade.

Under the contracts, employers are legally allowed to employ staff, often in the lowest paid jobs, without any promise of actual work, or income, literally calling them up and summoning them to work or sending them home from one day to the next.

This is legal, and in theory, employees are allowed to turn work down, and allowed to go for other jobs.

It is also important to say that for many workers, a "zero hours" contract can work extremely well, giving flexibility, and in some cases, relatively high pay.
The use of "zero hours" contracts is on the increase The use of "zero hours" contracts is on the increase Credit: Rui Vieira/PA Wire

But in practice, often workers are trapped in jobs with no security, no regular income, feeling like they have no choice but to be legally, at the beck and call of their employer.

There have always been some industries where there have been fluctuations, agricultural work for example. "

And Fred dont forget all the worthless self employed IT jobs where part time means part time or nothing....... 1 million plus.

Make no wonder some couldnt work out why production figures were falling but employment levels alledgedly rising LOL.

Think Cyners has gone away sulking.

Just found a job for Cynic -): http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/opportunities-within-mi6/22495477#/jobs/mi6/p13264

i've got a better one .... it's being the idle rich consultant director, attending a conference tomorrow in london and then jetting off to dubai for a week in the evening

fyi, i don't do sulking ...... was in a taxi and just checked in at conference hotel - it's quite nice actually