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Spot on John though there are far worse than us believe me - if you find time, go and read some of the threads on the betfair forum to see how some people operate

Just started on the horses, have a look at the price chart on the favourite in the 6.00 at Towcester

"been suffering with a chest infection and a heavy cold"

Ditto, I hate being ill. I have lots of talking to do over the next two days and I can't. Hoping to pull through though.

"look at the price chart on the favourite in the 6.00 at Towcester"

What happened there? In to 1.50, Must have been a bot going crazy or something but I can't see a rule 4 anywhere.

Ok - Whats a rule 4?

It's when a horse is withdrawn. All the odds on the rest of the horse in the race are adjusted accordingly.

BTW, I think I may have metioned it earlier on the thread. Some time ago I had a dream that the relegation battle would go to the last match of the season. In my dream I dreamt that in the Southampton Match, Man U took the lead in the 63rd minute with a Van Nistlerooy goal. My heart sank.

If VN is playing on Saturday I'm sticking a bet on it!

Rule 4 is when a horse is withdrawn from a race before the start - the rule 4 deduction relates to the deduction from winnings due to the withdrawal. The deduction only affects bets placed prior to the withdrawal as the market is suspended upon a withdrawal and then reformed

For example a horse which is trading at 5.0 will result in a 20% deduction (known as 20p in the pound) or a horse trading at 10.0 will result in a 10% deduction.

If you go to the rules page on a horse race before it starts you will see if any horses have been withdrawn and if so, at what time and what the reduction factor is

Cunningham

if youre about, have a look at the 8.00 at Towcester - on the rules page you will see several withdrawals listed and their relevant deduction facto

Thanks Guys,

Script can you dream tonight about the FA overturning the sending off for Crouch tomorrow and no more dreams about VN please.

Yeap I see them. Need to study them later to understand the numbers better, Have taken a snapshot for now.

I can only dream unfortunately. I think thats the nail in the coffin unfortunately. Never mind it will be nice to win a few games again rather than lose each week to a bunch of overpaid prima donnas!

Just think of the excitement I could have next year. Crewe, Cardiff, Plymouth, Millwall. Some quality teams in there, I can see end to end flowing football coming my way. The talent also, I can name at least............. err... no... top striker in the championship. I am looking forward to seeing him (whatever his name is) on display next season.

Don't give up yet, we could still play Wigan yet next year. :-)

Scrip

dont give up hope mate, ultimately there are 4 poor sides playing and any of them could win, lose or draw - there will be a lot of nerves about, whilst the teams they are playing have little to play for. as a neutral it will be an interesting afternoon watching it unravel, but i do feel sorry for the fans of the clubs involved.

that said if saints go down i will be sorry for Harry and Jim but celebrate Rupert Lowe going down

8.20 - favourite reared up in stalls and jockey hurt in process - their goes my profit!!! im now exposed to virtue for a loss - grrrrr

cunningham - there will be a rule 4 on this !!!

why are people still backing the horse in running when it didnt even start???

Buster Hyvonen was just under 3.0 when withdrawn - the rule 4 adjustment was 35.3%

That cost me on Virture as well, and was it me did the odds for the favourite reduce down to 1.03 in running. Not bad for a horse that wasn't running.

I've seen that many times. I can only hypothesise that bots are programmed to offer prices automatically or third parties are unable to see the images. Very strange you see it happen all the time.

I feel sorry for Forest fans. I remember the double european cup winning side very well and to think they will start next season in the old division three is incredible for anybody that experianced their halcyon days.