Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Dreams,

Still dreaming.

Before the coalition the economy was in trouble.

After Georgie boy and Kid Cameron the economy is in chaos. (Another recession on the way, the books hidden. No wonder Labour are cautious and not shouting their mouths off like the Con party on a trip at the Bullingdon Club.)

But don't worry they will blame everybody for the problems they have created.

Suggest Russell Brand on a trip has more sense.

Watch the Andrew Marr programme in the next few mins Fred and you may learn. Sorry I forgot you will no doubt turn the sound down or more remove your hearing aid and glasses. :-)). Sorry the labour party are making it up as they go along. Ps Dick Balls is on the programme, oh sorry Ed balls up. lol

at this very early stage - election is still 18 months away - it really does look that labour is making a complete hash of things if it wants to stand a chance of winning next time around

economy
oh well; actually we'll leave the tory policies in place
we don't care for them at all, but there really does not look to be a viable alternative

europe
not sure what to do at all
the electorate looks to want out, but sure as hell we're not going to give them a chance to vote on it

immigration
we'll stay stumm on that one
it's definitely a tricky hot potato for all sorts of reasons and it would leave us open to attack from at least one or another important block of voters if we actually nail our colours to the mast on that one

what else?
rather seem to have run out of electorate-important issues on which we can make a stance
perhaps the tories will just resign and let us have a go uncontested!

Dreams,
You should turn your tap off before you go to bed.
Take your earplugs out and listen to what is being said by Balls and others and accept that Georgie Boy and Wavy Wacky Dave’s policies are failing.
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Nobody in their right mind (except a few deluded con artists at tory headquarters and campfollowers) would in the present economic climate forecast the British Debt.
Look at the true UK debt since these incompetents got into power.
Look at percentage rate relative to stagnant GDP.
Look around for somebody to carry the can.
This corrupt lying group of incompetents could run a corner shop.
Perhaps, they could utilise the services of their personal tax advises to run the government.
(Just heard George is full of “confidence” about the economy. Crap is what he meant to say.)
Just re-read what I wrote earlier, some of which has come true.
“Fred1new - 06 May 2010 17:03 - 93 of 226
Halifax,

If the tories get in they will paint the darkest picture and then achieve it without understanding the reasons why.

What I fear, is that if the tories succeed and introduce the swinging cuts, which usually appeals to some tories and tory governments, and then we might have large scaled "social unrest", similar to, but on a lesser intensity than Greece.

This time, if Osborne opens the cupboard, he won't find any gold, or silver to sell to his friends in order to reduce general taxation.

It is possible, that he will go down in history as the chancellor who introduced the highest general taxation in the last sixty years.

The squawking has yet to come. “

:-)

so fred clearly decided that what i wrote wasn't garbage, though he thought about it (he edited post-event ...... shame of course that he finds it all too petit bourgeois to actually VOTE at all .... guess he feels it leaves him free to criticise anything, or anything or anyone and everyone without actually feeling any responsibility .... one step lower than any party in opposition really

cynic
It is also interesting to see Fred's change of position. In the post above he now says, "If the tories get in.." Up to now he has been saying the Tories can't get in.

to be honest, it doesn't much matter what he says, as i outlined in my last post

to say the tories have done a good job would be stretching a point somewhat, but for sure, anyone else who picked up the reins after the last election, had something of a poisoned chalice to deal with

Manuel,

I still value my liberties, including whether, or not to take part in tribal voting which you seem to relish.

My previous editing was while I attempted to "paste" charts to enable "innocents" similar to you, to recognise problems increased by ideological economic naivety which has been demonstrated by your icons.
(I failed to C+P or attach the images, maybe some friends don't want me pinching their work. Don't blame them.)

As far as criticising is concerned, I do like challenging what I see as false arguments, but sometimes don't disagree with the sentiments contained in the arguments presented. But I dislike pronouncements by some gullible and vociferous individuals.

As far is responsibility is concerned, I shed my responsibility, other than to myself and those immediate to me, a long time ago, but have always thought the choice of action others make is, in general, the responsibility of the individual making them.

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One way Labour (possibly coalition with Libs) get in power in 2015 to increase government revenue would be similar as the propose for "Bankers", is to prosecute Cameron, Osborne and henchmen for their incompetence and freeze their pensions for 20 years.

Also, to make swingeing increases on inheritance and trusts used as tax avoidances.

Could be fun!

8-)

Hays,

"Between cup and lip there's many a slip"!

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My betting would be Labour, with some Libs, forming the next UK government.

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I am surprised that there is so little discontent shown by the general public at the moment, but the effects of government cuts and various cockups have yet to kick in and be felt by the public as a whole.

I will wait and watch.

Reckon Fred should take a course of senopods asap, he really is so full of shit. Bit of overtime for Birmingham City Council, overflow of sewars imminent. :O)

lol. Chris.

fred - nothing wrong with being a floating voter and deciding to vote for the least worst at the crunch ..... though you choose disagree, i feel strongly (as you know), that failing to cast any vote anywhere or at any time is a complete abdication of responsibility .... you then get what you deserve, but deserve no right to then criticise whatever gov't you have landed yourself with

Manuel,

I love opinions from the self-opinionated men.

You could have fitted in well with the Eton mobsters.

Personally, I am critical of all three major parties and would not like to support any of the,

However, I do agree with some policies of all of them. but consider the present tory economic policies are disastrous for the UK as a whole.


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Fred the FLOATER! very apt.

What about making it law you have to vote ?

We didn't run up too much debt when we were in Government, says Balls (so what IS he on?) The same as what Fred is on.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335438/Ed-Balls-Labour-didnt-run-debt-Government.html#ixzz2X3O6Bcm8
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335438/Ed-Balls-Labour-didnt-run-debt-Government.html

Interesting from the above Fred (no comment I suspect ?) -

Mr Balls's words came as a poll showed just 30 per cent of voters think Labour can be trusted with the economy.