Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Captured again....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3623371/A-defiant-David-Cameron-claims-leaving-EU-terrible-way-cut-immigration-morning-savaged-public-live-TV-waffling-scaremongering-Brexit.html

Cameron was right. She was not letting him answer the question before speaking again. That is the sign of a poor interviewer who is doing it for effect.

Missed the point Haystack, your love of Dave is clouding your judgement.


The armchair burd is simply doing what journos do, they smell blood in the water and home in on it.

Call me made a complete fool of himself last night, he even managed to turn the inners into skeptics...by the end, the whole audience were laughing at him.


I don't know the audience numbers for last night, and we still have tonights entertainment to see, but I susect dave lost the In campaign last night with his pathetic performance.

The audience last night was made up of one third IN, one third OUT and one third not sure. Cameron got plenty of applause from the audience and one would suppose it was from the INs. There are plenty of people who like Cameron, probably millions. I think he has been doing a good job and I would like to keep him irrespective of the referendum result. I dare say that some people like Farage, whereas I find him a loathsome weasel.

Gove getting hammered even worse than Cameron on Sky News questions.

Good performance by Gove. He had the audience quiet and eating out of his hand by the finish. Wont change those that have already decided but may have made an impression on the undecided.

He did better with the audience because they weren't tough enough but the first part being asked questions by someone who knew what they were doing was a car crash for him.

Haystack "There are plenty of people who like Cameron"

That's pushing the sycophantisy to far..

Its like claiming Labour supporters vote for Labour because of Foot,
Kinnock, Corbyn...

If Labour had an eight legged, five eyed hunch back as leader, they'd
vote for it..The same as a Tory..They vote for the party and who their
parents/grandparents voted for, or their(belief) standing on the social scale.

As to some people liking Nigel Farage, Yes I am one of those people.

He tells the truth, obviously some people don't like hearing the truth, its
been said the truth hurts!

cameron is the prime minister but his persona and dealings is that of
a snake oil salesman and carpetbagger, who has no compunction in reneging
on any promises or policy's..

Fasil was a pain in the butt. Asking a question and not letting in a response. Persistent breaking up of Gove. He needs to taken aside and told a few home truths about techniques.

Yes, he was trying to be the next Paxman but didn't give time for an answer. He should sit down with Paxman and learn how to give a hard hitting interview without hectoring.
To be fair to him, he was trying to appear even handed but some of his questions were juvenile such as could Gove guarantee nobody would lose their job on Brexit. Gove was never flustered by his tactics and came over very well.

Janet Daley has summed the debate up well-
In spite of – or maybe because of – being relentlessly barracked and harassed by Faisal Islam, Mr Gove won the room. He repeatedly got spontaneous applause from the audience. In fact, he seemed to gain in confidence as he went on, looking amused rather than defensive even when Islam absurdly likened him to Mr Trump.

Despite being so clearly more successful in dealing with audience questions than Mr Cameron had been, he never took the opportunity to gloat. This was an argument, the Gove delivery implied, about ideas not personalities.

This in itself gave the lie to one query which suggested that the Leave campaign was all about political ambition. He definitively denied that he had any leadership ambitions.

So what does this mean for the Tory civil war? That there is no visible evidence of vindictiveness on the Leave side – which leaves Remainers in danger of looking nasty on their own.

Leaves more room for Theresa Cruella May, Boris the Brush and Georgie Boy and the scraps at the bottom of the tory barrel.

A comment from across the pond:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/03/germany-is-defying-700-years-of-history/?tid=pm_business_pop_b

Perhaps some have forgotten Gove's achievements.

Some have the necessary requirements to make "loyal" members of UKIP.

TV debate shows public doesn’t trust David Cameron
In the first live TV debate in the run up to the referendum, David Cameron faced some tough questioning from voters, who ridiculed his scaremongering tactics and exposed the fact that he can’t explain if, or when, he would fulfill his key promise to voters to cut net migration to below 100,000. He refused to accept that Britain has lost control of its borders and brushed aside concerns about the numbers of people coming into the country.
He fared no better when challenged about his attitude to Turkey, with one audience member accusing him of ‘waffling’ on the subject, yet he still vehemently supports its forthcoming membership of the EU and is happy for his Government to pay £1 billion to help it to do so. As can be seen in this video, he wants to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels.
David Cameron avoided giving straight answers to any questions around migration, scaremongering or how much control we’ve handed to the EU, and instead only claimed that we have to be in the EU to trade with Europe, which is simply untrue. He fixed the format of the debate so it would work in his favour, however by the end of the evening it was clear that the voting public just don’t trust him on the EU.

http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/

Gove won hands down, easily more believable than Cameroon.

Fasil did exactly the same to Cameron, but he handled it better. He was quite clear about Turkey saying that they could not join for decades at the earliest. The £1 billion figure is a made up number by the leave campaign. Gove did better with the public section as they were a very weak bunch.

Faisal, but no matter since the rest is made up and incorrect. What guarantee can Cameron give that Turkey wont join for decades? He wont be around that much longer himself.
As for the public, in your mind the first lot were stupid and rude, while the second were weak and quiet. Perhaps the first lot were fed up with Cameron's tactics, while the second were perhaps more convinced that Gove was at least genuine.
Seems to me that you were quite put out by the favourable response to Gove, Hays. Surprising for a professed Brexiteer.