Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i never cease to be amazed by what brussels thinks is a good idea ..... no doubt the plutocrats like the idea of croatia as a cheap base for their luxurious holiday homes, for i believe it's very beautiful even if the standard of cuisine leaves something to be desired

George,
Never mind what their thinking is or is not, it's deeds that count, and why do you and people like you only think that there can "only be" the same 2 or 3 "party type" governments that can run this country? just because they have run it "badly before"?

The masses have been shafted election after election in this country and they are still to scared and weak to realise that "we get" what "they sell you" and not what is best for the whole over the medium to long term.

They have a very insecure border with Serbia which will make it easier for non EU to get in. The border is so bad that the EU is sending security staff to police it. Croatia has been trying for about 10 years to get in. It was agreed in 2011, but now the Croatian people are not so keen when they see the problems with the EU and the Euro.

so Stan, are you going to vote for some sort of collective, say an idealised communism?
and whatever your beliefs, what makes you so certain that "your" ideal is the best for the (amorphous) country or even the indviduals who comprise the population?

I would be a lot happier if we had a Conservative government with a big majority. They are too restricted by their coalition partners. Maybe next time.

Stan, I've never subscribed to the view that only the 'mainstream' parties are capable of running the country, as for ''we get" what "they sell you" and not what is best for the whole over the medium to long term, this will always be the case until the elected party has to make good on it's pre-election promises, or face the prospect of another election.
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Cynic, Let George answer before I reply to you please.. have another ribena -):

a sherbet is the phrase i know the peasantry often use; more likely a sundowner in colonialist circles:-)

But George, how many times do you and millions of others need for the Partys to renege before you stop voting for them?

What specific reneging are you thinking of?

Ask George.

Manuel.

If you thought typical Croatian food was poor you must have been eating in the wrong restaurants, or homes.

Much of their present food is based on their Austro-Hungarian past and pretty good.

Try the sweets and cakes and cheese.

Also, try some of their wines and even their vinjak.

Stan, I always exercise my right to vote, always will. Major pre election promises (from the successful party) should be put into practise unless there is very good reason for not so doing.
I see cynic has a tough job over the next couple of weeks, somebody has to do it I guess, we're so lucky to have him cover it.
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cynic - 01 Jul 2013 17:12 - 26609 of 26622

"i never cease to be amazed by what brussels thinks is a good idea ."

From what I read there is a distinct difference between the thinking of the major European leaders and the politicians in the UK and small factions in various political reactionary parties circles in a few countries.


The major difference is they see the development of Europe over a fifty year period and not short term advantages like many of our present politicians.

In the past there were major UK politicians like Churchill, Macmillan, Heath for examples, who were capable who were able to see the advantages of a more integrated Europe and propose the idea in various ways.

But the present con and UKIP reactionaries can only see as far as the own short term advantages and not further than the end of their noses.

Croatia economy has crashed without being in the EU and they may have been wiser to get their house in order earlier.

Same applies to the British economy.

anachronism

Churchill was a great wartime leader but not so hot in peacetime; Macmillan was a wonderful statesman, but I'm not sure how effective as a world leader; Ted Heath was better suited to sailing and playing the piano.

Post war, I'm not sure who, other than Margaret Thatcher could be described as a strong leader ..... I'm sure there must be one of two from the labour party though none come immediately to mind

George, Exercising your right to vote or not is not relevant to the point that I am trying to make.

"Major pre election promises (from the successful party) should be put into practice unless there is very good reason for not so doing."

I don't think that anyone will disagree with that, but my point is when the party "persistently" does not put into practice their promises why do you and other people "persistently vote" these parties back in.. time and time again?

ED: Cynics never had a tough job in his life -):

It is not always to put promises into practice due to changing circumstances. There is always implied 'small print' associated with political promises which says, "if we can" and "depending on circumstances".

It would be interesting to see some examples of these broken promises.

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