for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Patisear,

Many thanks. Just tried it.

Greek

A bit of news at last. Now could here be any connection with my 'Stab in the Dark' post of 26612. So often wrong would be nice to be right for a change.

First customer for new/latest technology Furnace.

http://www.stanelcoplc.com/pdf/news/Stanelco-NewGeneration-12-08-08.pdf

Greekman

It would be nice to think that there was a tie up with BT or some other telco, but I suspect that this order went to a University or other research institute to help them draw their own fibers - but of course I could be wrong.

My reason for saying this is that there is not a significant demand for fiber in Europe. Having previously worked in the fiber optics industry I can tell you that nearly every major city in the UK, Europe and most of the western world has more fiber already underground than it can cope with - so-called dark fiber (dark, because it isn't being used). During the early 2000's there was a bit of a boom in installing fiber everywhere while waiting for the telcos to come along and lap it up. They didn't. Which is why the industry saw a lot of redundancies and the mergers of companies such as Alcatel and Lucent. There is still an awful lot of (already drawn) fiber sitting around in warehouses.

Of course, the situation is somewhat different in the emerging economies. So there may still be a tie-up with a telco in Asia, China or South America, where there may still be a demand for more fiber (I can't be sure of that - I was one of those made redundant). Now that would be good news.

StarFrog,

Having no knowledge of the Fiber Optics industry I am obviously not in a position to argue, so I am not going to.
But I did read some time ago (about 2 to 3 years ago when the faster Broadband options were being talked about) that newer more complex (whatever that means) optic cables were required to carry, whatever it is they carry. So if the article was correct it is probable that more are needed.
If you can dig deeper through your past trade re is there a need/requirement for newer more advance cables, I am sure it would be appreciated.

Regards Greek.

Greekman BT announced a few days ago they intend to spend 1.5billion on speeding up their broadband services using fibre optics. Is this what you are alluding to?

Asked Stanelco about this RF issue:

Dear Neil

Thank you for your e-mail.

Unfortunately as previously advised we cannot comment on individual customer contracts due to confidentiality. If we have any news that can be made public it will be displayed on our website or released as an RNS.

Kind regards
Sarah

From: neil
Sent: 13 August 2008 14:21
To: Info
Cc: FD
Subject: RF Contract for BT


Sarah,

Noticed your statement on your web-site:

http://www.stanelcoplc.com/pdf/news/Stanelco-NewGeneration-12-08-08.pdf

BT announced a few days ago they intend to spend 1.5billion on speeding up their broadband services using fibre optics.

Can you confirm that BT or another telecoms company have aquired your new furnace equipment.

Regards
Neil

Hi Greekman

The dark-fiber already in place is well capable of supporting high-speed broadband and anything else you care to throw at it. Data transmission speeds through the fibers are not the bottleneck (data travels at the speed of light and aint gonna get any faster than that!).

Without getting too technical, the throughput problem is about reliably sending a large number of signals down one fiber and then reliably decoding them at the other end, so that you can increase the number of users at any one time. This, I suspect, is what the telcos mean when they are talking about new technology requirements.

Thankfully, the clever boffins are already finding new and better ways to do this (e.g. time domain multiplexing), and so existing fiber can easily service the needs of this and the next generation of telecommunications.

Having said all that, I cannot say with any certainty that SEO aren't about to sell a shed load of fiber furnaces to BT or any other telco. Let us just rejoice in the fact that they have at least managed to sell one!

Halifax,

Yes re BT. See my previous post 26612, I think it is worth a read and possibly relevant to Stanelco's announcement 'Hopefully'!

StarFrog,

Thanks re the info. I live near a fiber optic junction box that is a Kingston Communications System. If I see an engineer I will make some discreet inquiries re any info flying about. I did similar a couple of years ago re another issue and found that sometimes the man on the ground is often in the know.
As the old saying goes.... If you really want to know whats happening, Ask the cleaner or the Tea Lady.

Too true ;-)

From an interesting web site.
http://www.arcelect.com/fibercable.htm

The bit I like is.....Refinements in optical fibers, along with the development of new lasers and diodes, may one day allow commercial fiber-optic networks to carry trillions of bits of data per second.

Perhaps as technology in Fiber Optics improves, there will be a bigger demand for more advances furnaces.
As previously said, I know nothing (as Manuel would say) re the Fiber Optic industry, so don't know what advances there have been over the last few years.

StarFrog,

If you have any contact with ex work mates any chance of a bit of digging. Would be interested what you may come up with.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3245883.ece (using the sewage system for fibre optic roll out)

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080703044033AAcRRsM
(interesting comment in last post from a BT Engineer)

Some more to chew on maybe.....

Lankn73,

Yes very interesting although I think the (using the sewage system for fiber optic roll out) is misleading. In the BT article of a few days ago it was mentioned that one of the main obstacles and cost was that many thousands of miles of road/pathways would have to be dug up in order to put the cable infrastructure in.
But as you say something else to chew on. Whatever it is looking better for SEO than it has for a long time.
Would be ironical if they end up making a vast amount of money from what at one time was looking an increasingly dead in the water area of the company with the bio-degradable side looking the way to go.
It's a funny old world.

StarFrog,

From your knowledge is this cable likely to be none fiber optic.

11/08/08.
BT have contracted Skanska to recover redundant underground cabling from the north of England and Scotland regions of their Openreach Network.

The deal between British Telecommunications plc and Swedens Skanska organisation means that recovery work will begin in September 2008 to extract 51000 tonnes of cable. The work will be expected to last three years.

Presumably they will replace with the latest fiber optic.

Greekman

I've had a look around the web (as I'm sure you have) and can't find any further information on this Skanska deal other than what you have already posted. Checking details about the OpenReach Network isn't much help either - though there seems to be some suggestion that part of this network involves fiber optics. I think the key thing here is that Skanska have been commissioned to remove redundant cabling. Whether this is copper or fiber is to some extent irrelevant because I guess that it would be fair to assume that the latest fiber would be installed in its place.

But I don't think you should get too hung up ('scuse the pun) on the fact that SEO have sold an induction furnace. These furnaces are not (per se) what make a fiber optic. Fiber optics involve making what is known as a preform on a machine called a glass lathe. If you have ever seen how seaside rock (the confectionery) is made, you will understand the following. The preform is like a really fat fiber optic (upto several cm in diameter and of the order of a meter in length). This is drawn down into a much thinner fiber in a drawing tower (the same way as a steel ingot is drawn down to a wire) by passing it through a series of rollers that squeeze the glass preform. To do this, the glass must of course be in a molten state, and this is where the induction furnace is used. The process is continuous, and hundreds of km of fiber can be drawn from a single glass preform.

Now here's the hitch. Because you get so much fiber from a single preform, and because the drawing process is really really fast and runs 24 hours a day, the companies that make fiber optics do not have a great requirement for a lot of drawing towers and hence induction furnaces. Typically, they may only have up to half a dozen (if that) towers. Consequently, the number of induction furnaces that SEO could sell to the fiber optics industry is rather limited.

Of course, there may be other markets for these furnaces, and if the mark-up is high, then it will still be a good revenue stream.

StarFrog,

Thanks for the info. I hope as you say I'm not getting too hung up re the sold furnace but as you say it could be promising re other possible sales/mark-up.
I think due to the SP going southwards for many months now (apart from the up and down yo-yo situation of the last few months) any straw thrown is being grabbed hold of.
A few more straws may just stop the sp drowning completely.
As to the seaside rock analogy, I live near a rock factory and have seen it made since being a kid. I wonder if any fiber optics that are in any way connected to the Stanelco Furnace will have the company name running through it.
As to the sp potential re this, I think like rock, we will have to suck it and see (sorry could not resist. Will stick to my day job).

Don't know if already posted as so many posts already today.
According to The Daily Telegraph and probably other papers (as it is a major article) it looks as if there is going to be a big push toward making manufacturers/suppliers/supermarkets and the like take more responsibility for waste, including packaging, at risk of monetary penalties.
The reason being is that most waste is produced prior to it reaching the end customer,IE us. Also the more unnecessary packaging there is the more likely it is that the end user will not or can't recycle.
No idea if this has anything to do with the SP rise, but just a thought.

Lets hope whoever dumped the 14million does'nt know something the rest of us don't.

All aboard the ss stanelco, is it still a leaky boat?

lets hope not

Yea, Yea, it's on heck of a boat; grounded at the moment and housing two of everything ( four in the case of PC's running Win) and beasts of the field, fowls of the air and so on. The ship was order by voices - so Execs are unsure when Lift-off will be - OR if the thing will float. However to help in this it's been pitched outside and inside in thick treacle which is beling consumed by one of two bears - now if you know how to move a happy bear, without making him grumpy...

The execs have ordered themselves splendid coats of the very finest cloth and in a whole variety of colours, with gold piping/braid and large brass gilt buttons.

There is little hope of this craft floating and ever landing in the Land of plenty ( for shareholders, almost forgot them!), but no-one cares at the Good Ship.



PS This is a wasting company, with little credability for sharehoders - whatever the price.
Grr! Just think what you could ahve invested in if the company hadn't been so bullish - and all the while the price was too high. Ha, Ha.

all for less than apenny

tweenie
as regards to DA BOOT, it's only the bailing out that keeps it going