Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The rich will pay for the deficit.
much as some of you pretend socialists might like to imagine, this popular/populist illusion is exactly that..... tax the rich (whoever you wish to determine as such) by whatever you like, and you'll get a relative pittance

you might like to forget that it is the entrepreneurs who create wealth, both for the country and of course for themselves - and why should they not? ..... and before you get even more preposterous than usual, have a good look at the number of businessmen, small and medium and large of all sorts of nationalities, who have created such wealth over say just the last 30/50 years

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh get back in yer deckchair.

2517

For Tory Nasty party read Michael Ashcroft and tax exile cronies.

Mind how much comes out tax reduction to the his wealthy cohorts.


Cameron is a poser.

He is even poor at that.

Andy Murray in self - destruct mode again on Centre Court. My granny has a better second serve than he does, but I suppose it's all very easy sitting in an armchair in front of the telly and criticising, the pressure he feels must be unbearable at times.:-)

Manuel,

Nothing against entrepreneurs, as long as they don't forget that the producers of their wealth is usually down to the employees they employ to produce, or "design" of the "goods" they sell.

That does not included traders, forex dealers and shares betters who are basically earn their cash as parasites on the financial services and the productivity of the market as a whole and have a partial responsibility for the market crash.

No better than the money lenders who are being condemned by Cameron and crew, the latter waiting for payment into party funds.

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GF, I think Hays is euphoric and the belief that a weak sign of recovery is seen,


This in itself due to the U-turn is Osborne's economic policy and pumping money into the market.

Crazy pumping up the "housing market" once again, with a London based weighting.

Another bubble to burst and implode.

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fred (and sticky) ..... you're sort of right about bankers etc to which you allude, notwithstanding that they are a necessary evil (that's why us jews have most times been tolerated!), and of course they do offer employment to others.

from my side, as both "an evil one" and also some sort of pretend entrepreneur, i have always been a great believer in profit-sharing, though it's a shame employees would not be quite so interested in sharing losses in bad years.

our own company has always run such a scheme, and though it's a bit arbitrary, i think we usually give by way of a year-end bonus 7.5-10% of salary .... we do this across the board, regardless of which office may have "got lucky" or the reverse.

though i now pay myself quite well, it's certainly not even gross, but does have some reflection that we (founder-shareholders) built the company up from being on its knees to something which is consistently profitable

coup underway in Egypt.

Cynic,

Post 26700.

I agree with the sentiments within your post.

Nothing against "honest" banking, whether "run" or "own" by Jews or any other "race" . It is necessary to have such financial service and even those involved need recompense in recognition with their inputs and endeavours.

What I disagree with is the secrecy abuse and corruption within some of those systems.

Always, believe when possible that workers should be allowed shares and paid a proportion of profits. (May solved some of crazy union actions and increased responsible actions.)

My father's company 70 years ago had bonuses through whole company based on profitability of company.

Unilever did something similar in the 50-60s.

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Also, there are many in society who work bloody hard for the functioning of society, and "should" have a reasonable return for the "labour".

Somebody mention Callaghan and the "Winter of Discontent".

A period of madness, but the public did notice the graves weren't being dug, the bins weren't emptied, the sewers weren't cleaned, and water leaks weren't repaired.

And didn't some in the general public bleat.

How many in the present cabinet, or on this thread would be capable of doing those jobs.

Many of those doing those jobs, even if not over endowed above the neck, deserve decent wages, housing and other expectancy as others, in what I would think to be a decent society.

Have to ask the same questions again.

Edward Snowden is he a :-

Whistle blower?

An American traitor?

International hero?

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Is America beginning to look foolish in their approach, or just showing themselves up as an international bully, which is in a gradual decline?


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Add, is that why America has less and less influence in the M.E.

No 4

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23166053

none of the above .... probably closer to a misguided idealist than anything else

fred - thse following is a bloody stupid comment as you almost go on to admit! ......How many in the present cabinet, or on this thread would be capable of doing those jobs.

Good article
I like this bit where Labour's paymasters are getting power mad

"Unite has threatened legal action against Labour, saying it has been a victim of a "smear campaign" and an attempt by the party to impose a candidate from Westminster."

Wouldn't that be fun. The biggest trade union suing the Labour party. It is all so bizzare, you couldn't make it up. How dare Miliband not grovel to Unite.

Britain's biggest union was last night accused of using ‘corrupt’ Militant Tendency methods to create a ‘party within a party’ inside Labour – and to take over its MPs.

The allegation came amid a row over claims Unite broke party rules to try to get its nominee picked as Labour’s candidate in Falkirk, Scotland.

Labour leader Ed Miliband was forced to suspend the local party last week, days after The Mail on Sunday revealed how a Labour Party inquiry upheld claims of foul play by Unite

The union was accused of recruiting ‘rent-a-mob’ supporters in Falkirk to rig the selection process.

And last night, Eric Joyce, who won the seat for Labour at the last Election, made new claims against the union.

He said it was copying the tactics used by the extreme Left-wing Militant Tendency – which tried to infiltrate Labour 30 years ago.

Mr Joyce, who was forced to stand down as Falkirk MP after a Commons fracas, said: ‘Unite is trying to create a party within a party.

They are using the same entryist methods adopted by Derek Hatton’s Militant Tendency in the 1980s – except they have much more money, better contacts and powerful friends inside the Labour Party.

‘They have done it in Falkirk and they will do it in other seats unless firm action is taken. They recruit members, many of whom don’t even know they have been signed up and break the rules to get them accepted.

It sounds like Cash, Jenkins and some other neanderthals of the looney Right winged reactionaries of the tory con party, who are manipulating the self-admitted nasty party with its the weak podgy ineffectual conning party leadership.

I wonder if Nigel would have them in UKIP.

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Interesting to see the final outcome of Leveson.

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Manuel,

I think if this present bunch of "wasters" in the cabinet, swung a pick and used a shovel for a fortnight and worked for another fortnight on night shifts in a heavy industry plant (not much of this left after Maggie, (?thank the lords and ladies))
they may have a little more appreciation of some who they are looking down on, or labelling as "scroungers or worthless. (Or worth less than they are themselves.)

You seem to have been "lucky" to be able to use the attributes you had, and possibly absorb from you the "methods" of using those "abilities" from those you were exposed to.

Others, haven't!

Nothing will happen with Leveson. It was all a waste of time. Better to have a free press. There are quite adequate laws at present. They are just not used.

Not sure if Snowden is a hero, but he has done something useful by revealing ways that the US and the UK are breaking their own laws.

Yes.

It is the associated hypocrisy of "Governments" and their reactions being exposed more and more frequently and widely on the "internet" which is interesting.

Don't think the Leveson enquiry's report affair is all over yet, especially with Coulson and Rebecca closeness to Cameron and No 10..