starting this thread, which i hope will be short-lived, to keep the board up to date with latest reports gleaned from the net

Don't get C started he allready spouts his mind of useless information.

Im out of here LOL.

pretty questionable ...... billy was a pug who punched above his weight, but i suspect was his brother's inferior in mental agility ..... george was an ok boxer in his day, but was arguably unlucky to get mangled in the (mid 80s?) property crash ..... while it is true he was charged with fraud or somesuch, he was found not guilty ..... i certainly admire that after the collapse of brent walker and his personal bankruptcy, he continued to fight hard to make a comeback rather than just crumbling

"Almost every thing in the ME has implications for Palestine (currently temporarily called Israel). " says the parrot. What a nutter ! LOL
I thought I'd look at this thread to see if the usual suspects, fred and the parrot on his shoulder could twist this round onto Israel.
Guess what ! LOL
Parrot, you really should get trreatment for your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
For fred there is even less hope as he is the Galloway/Livingstone/Wedgwood-Benn/Bob Crow of moneyam.

I am confused, as per usual. I think somebody has changed medications on this board.

Spike.

partly my own fault for allowing this thread to drift into areas of personal abuse by some, so to reiterate

it would be really good to hear the views of other members about what is happening in libya (not gaza!) and perhaps how they perceive the future there ...... it's a sort-of a natural progression from the reason i started this thread in first place

"I am confused, as per usual."

So? We all knew that long ago.

So was C until he came out of the closet. Now he is is just pedantic.

I agree with the Russians. We should not be involved in Libya at all. It's a civil war and the West should mind its own business and stop interfering in Muslim countries.
Our governments are a load of self-righteous prigs with pretensions to a world role and no understanding of other cultures.
Just like a couple of posters on this and the Gaza thread.

ITLOB - a valid view with which i might have considerably more sympathy had not AL also backed (what you choose to call) the West's proposal and action ...... the fact that libya is a muslim country is surely irrelevant, for as you say, this is a civil war, but without religious undertones

The AL will vacillate and finally come out against the intervention, imho as the inevitable civilian collateral damage will turn them against the West. Also their natural sympathy for their Muslim brothers will trump any sense of fairness and justice in wanting to get rid of the pesky Colonel.
The Shia/Sunni and tribal tensions will play a part in my view.
Actually the Gadfly's TV performances always remind me of our very own parrot hays.
Thinks a huge amount of himself, rages and rants, lies, a comic figure.

i tend to agree
but the ruskies no better
all want to control the oil which is getting low
ruskies very clever in diplomacy imo then hit hard

Cynic,

Are you trying to hijack this thread for your own agenda.

Tut, Tut, Tut.

But I think it should be returned to you.

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PS. I agree with your position of intervening, but I think, now that it is a "done deed", then it will need a ground force to supervise an election.

Arrangements, for the election will be difficult.

BUT, I think the actions of Cameron and Hague could have been earlier and before spouting on the World Stage, the "World Powers" through the UN should have been lobbied and a overall strategy been thought about.

If a ground force is necessary, then I think it obligatory that British and French troops are offered, hoping that the AL will fulfill the role.

gibby,
Agreed, Putin is a lot shrewder than Obama at geopolitics.

oil is indeed the key, but not only just as a "simple" commodity, for there are all sorts of important sub-texts and far-reaching consequences that attach to it

itlob - i posted on this issue, but tribalism, yes to some extent, but i do not think there is any underlying sunni/shia animosity in libya

fred - a ground force, whether or not under the auspices of UN, would be dynamite in the region, and (i think) should be avoided almost at all costs ...... it';s reasonable to guess that the rebels will indeed oust GM within say the next month or two, but it is then that the fun and games begin .... i would like to think that AL would take the lead at that juncture, but i think the chances of them doing so are long odds indeed

itlob
cheers mate putin is not blinkered unlike the west and human rights debacle which is a joke unless you are cherie blair and pals

Cynic.

You have more faith in the Arab League than I do. I wish mine was stronger, but here is the membership:-

Arab League
22 members[hide]

* Algeria * Bahrain * Comoros * Djibouti * Egypt
* Iraq * Jordan * Kuwait * Lebanon * Libya(suspended)
* Mauritania * Morocco * Oman * Palestine * Qatar * Saudi Arabia * Somalia * Sudan * Syria
* Tunisia * United Arab Emirates * Yemen

My feeling is that the UN did well to get any agreement with this group. Hope I am wrong.


I suppose a move when "hostilities" are suspended, then there could be a call for an United Nations policing force.

Interesting to watch the resonances of this "upset".

i had no knowledge at all of AL until this libyan thing blew up ..... a UN "policing force" of some description would possibly have some benefit, but assuredly it could not be imposed and would have to follow a specific request primarily from the libyan rebels

If the AL want a "peace keeping" force they can supply it themselves.
They soon want us "kaffirs, monkeys and dogs" to expend life and limb and treasure for them, rather than them doing it themselves.
And afterwards they will continue to hate us for being kaffirs.
Why on earth should we interfere?
They may not have the ability to project power as easily as the US, but they have forces they can fly in on their own civilian and military planes or over land from Egypt.
Do they? No, they are shrewd enough to let us kaffirs do it. They must be laughing at our high falutin' principles of caring for civilians being slaughtered by their fellow Muslims whilst they do nothing.
We really are mugs.