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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic - 04 Jul 2013 17:42 - 26736 of 81564

just 8 mile walk in the hills followed by a couple of well-earned beers for me ..... some gentle Provence rose shortly however

goldfinger - 04 Jul 2013 17:44 - 26737 of 81564

A lot of discontent upset Unite members posting on twitter today complaining about Camerons child like antics in PMqs yesterday.

Watched it again and he was using unite for every question he answered .......pathetic.

cynic - 04 Jul 2013 17:53 - 26738 of 81564

not some militant union and its members getting a clogging by any chance?
shame, shame :-)

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very surprised by the complete disinterest of members here on the much more important developments in egypt ...... never though this place was populated by so many lilliputians




Stan - 04 Jul 2013 17:58 - 26739 of 81564

lilliputians? you do come out with 'em, But on to the important stuff, What's the French version of Real Ale like over there assuming that you are drinking some quality stuff or is Real Ale not available there?

cynic - 04 Jul 2013 18:05 - 26740 of 81564

i'm afraid only rubbish like Kronenbourg ..... have to wait to get home for Rebellion and the like

goldfinger - 04 Jul 2013 18:06 - 26741 of 81564

It is a shame yes for the Tory party.

Most of them offended were female middle class Unite members from the civil sevice/ local government who just happen to vote Tory.

Really offended by his antics a lot saying they were going directly over to labour or UKIP.

I think Cameron and Giddeon owt to think on before opening their silly mouths and having a child like public school boy laugh on the front benches.

No doubt word has got back to our PM.

Will we see him using the same tactic again LOL..........hope not as hes shot himself in the foot.

cynic - 04 Jul 2013 18:08 - 26742 of 81564

all gibberish to me as i am away from Lilliput as you know :-)

Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 18:18 - 26743 of 81564

gf
I haven't had any sort of drink for a couple of weeks. You sound like the alchy most evenings.

Unite are deeply in the dodo! And by association, so is the Labour party and Miliband in particular. Unite were trying to create their own party within Labour. It is all so yesterday and reminiscent of militant tendancy's attempts to hijack Labour years ago. The Conservatives are loving to see Labour and their 'friends' and 'fellow travellers' imploding.

Stan - 04 Jul 2013 18:18 - 26744 of 81564

Ah yes thought so.

Fred1new - 04 Jul 2013 18:38 - 26745 of 81564

Has anybody a recent list of donations, or bribes to the Con party funds?

Also, where can I get a breakdown of Cameron's and Porky's tax payments and that of the various trusts they may be using?

A lot to come out on party funding.

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Also, has Cameron made it up with Murdoch.



Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 20:23 - 26746 of 81564

It is good to see the Unions and Labour ripping themselves and each other apart.

cynic - 04 Jul 2013 20:32 - 26747 of 81564

fred - same place as you get any other politician's tax returns, beneficial trusts and similar :-)

Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 20:35 - 26748 of 81564

70% of Labour candidates for 2015 election have links to unions: Unite targets seats to help exert influence on Miliband

47 of 67 candidates so far selected by Labour for 2015 are linked to unions
27 are affiliated to Unite through membership, sponsorship or employment
Unite leader Len McCluskey reportedly refers to senior Labour politicians he approves of as 'Unite MPs'

Seven in ten Labour candidates for the 2015 general election are linked to trade unions, figures revealed last night.

More than half of those are affiliated to Unite, the giant Left-wing union which is targeting as many seats as possible to exert maximum influence over Ed Miliband.

Yesterday former home secretary David Blunkett warned Labour was in danger of becoming a ‘party of the graveyard’ if it tilted too far to the left.

He told Mr Miliband to avoid the bitter internal divisions that locked Labour out of power in the 1980s and 1990s.

But 47 of 67 candidates so far selected by Labour for 2015 are linked to unions, with 27 affiliated to Unite through membership, sponsorship or employment. This is 40 per cent of the total.

Party sources say Unite leader Len McCluskey has begun referring to senior Labour politicians he approves of as ‘Unite MPs’.

Unions have given 80 per cent of the money Labour has received in donations under Mr Miliband.

And Unite’s support propelled him to a surprise victory over his brother David in the 2010 party leadership election.

Mr Blunkett said Labour MPs would not be able to accuse the Conservatives of being driven by vested interests until they scrutinised the influence trade unions had over their own party. ‘Perception really matters, I’d be daft to suggest that it doesn’t,’ he said.

Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 20:40 - 26749 of 81564

Unite

The union bought Labour memberships in bulk for residents in the Scottish constituency, so they would be eligible to vote for the candidate and select the one preferred by Unite.

At least one person complained that membership was bought for them without their consent. When staff questioned the batch of membership forms accompanied by a cheque from Unite, they were allegedly told to process the forms and backdate them.

Labour banned the new ‘members’ from voting.

However they have refused to publish the results of an inquiry.

Mr McCluskey has threatened to take legal action, claiming that Unite is being ‘smeared’.

But minutes of the Unite executive council meeting in December 2012 show that the union believes the drive in Falkirk is ‘exemplary’.

boasted of the ‘direct impact’ it has had in securing candidates in Peterborough, Norwich South, Harlow, Hastings, Tamworth, Crewe and Nantwich.

Last night, Unite said it was convinced that 150 party members had been disenfranchised by the ban.

It vowed to try to overturn the decision when Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee meets this month.

In a statement, the union said it was ‘at best an extreme over-reaction, at worst, the product of an anti-union agenda’.

Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps said: ‘Day by day, an unaccountable and unelected union baron is strengthening his vice like grip on the Labour party.

‘If Ed Miliband won’t stand up the likes of Len McCluskey in his party, there’s no way he could stand up for the interests this country.’

Labour activists have also called for Mr Miliband to rein in his campaigns supremo Tom Watson.

Karie Murphy, Mr Watson’s office manager, was Unite’s preferred candidate for Falkirk.

Mr Watson is also a former flatmate of Mr McCluskey, and his links to the union have made Labour modernisers uncomfortable.

Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 22:46 - 26750 of 81564

cynic
You were asking about the Egyptian army's loyalties. They are essentially secular in practice due to years of Mubarek's ties with the US. The Muslim Brotherhood was a proscribed organisation in previous years as it was in a number of other westernised ME countries such as Tunisia. Mubarek took control via a military coup as did Nasser. The military is heavily involved in most businesses in Egypt as owners. The senior military wants a good economy and that meant no Muslim Brotherhood as they were making things worse. There seems to be still a high degree of corruption in government. It appears that many in the military are involved in the largest companies, such as energy, oil and transport.

Fred1new - 04 Jul 2013 22:55 - 26751 of 81564

Laughable.

When the Labour party sprang out of unionism.

But if there is abuse of rules they should be exposed and dealt with.

But compared with the tory party, who are mountains out of a molehill, with the puppeteer Aschroft and a few others manipulating the con party and arranging its PR and policies from outside the country it is a minor problem.

Also, with the lower paid, women and unemployed being scapegoated and paying the bills of corrupt capitalism I would have expected such actions would have happened early.

Smearing, by party lightweights Cameron, Osborne and camp followers like Hays will have little effect in the long run, but it might bring attention to public dissent to the abuses being acted out by the present government.

When I was a student, I had a public school boy as flat mate.

It didn't make me a tory, or a homosexual, but we did remain friends and I would help him if he would benefit from my help.

Print the names of the financiers of the tory party and let us see the level of bribes.




Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 23:03 - 26752 of 81564

The importance of the Unite trying to control Labour is that it has uncovered the way that unions work and how corrupt it is.

Acer - 04 Jul 2013 23:27 - 26753 of 81564

It is such a joy to see the comeuppance of the Holier than Thou Tom Watson. More corrupt than any hacking journalist.

Haystack - 04 Jul 2013 23:50 - 26754 of 81564

Watson shared a flat with McCluskey and the guy who was being installed as candidate in Falkirk worked in Watson's office.

Acer - 04 Jul 2013 23:52 - 26755 of 81564

Think it was a women and was watsons' office manager! Know what I mean!
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