Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cheers cynic, I don't understand fully why, I just got told that there was something it didn't like about windows 7 and that firefox would be better - not got a clue as it has worked perfectly well for years without. Will have to research which version to use. Hope the jolly holidays are going well. Halifax are working all day today on their sight so may be things may be different tomorrow!!!!!!

i think halifax are talking a load of bollocks ..... if they had commented about problems with a Windows 8 platform it might have had some credibility

3m,

Your Halifax woes are actually one of my greatest bugbears.

Theoretically, every web browser (IE, Chrome, Firefox, Opera) will render a web page identically. You might see minor differences in how tables render but, otherwise, pages should all look pretty much the same.

Many web designers, however, don't design their sites correctly and pages will frequently contain coding errors which may cause their pages to render differently in different browsers. Some errors may be minor and users won't notice any difference, but other errors can be more serious and pages may not render at all in some browsers. The web designers regularly get over the problem, not by fixing the errors that are causing the problem in the first place, but by passing the buck over to the user and telling them to "use XYZ browser" because that's the only browser the numpties have managed to get their website to render correctly with.

By way of an example, when I visited the Halifax share dealing site (at https://www.halifaxsharedealing-online.co.uk/_mem_bin/formslogin.asp), I counted 111 HTML errors because the page is malformed. These errors will invariably mean the user experience is different from one web browser to the next. Try it for yourself - just right click over any web page and hit 'validate' (or paste the URL into the W3 validation site).

In all seriousness, any web designer who tells his users to change browser as a way of overcoming his own shortcomings should get the sack.

We used to build web sites some years ago and would check them against the main browsers and also previous versions of those browsers.

However, I have some sympathy for the web builders of today. We often used to hand code the HTML, but these days the web pages are generated by various packages. Web based systems are so central to major companies's businesses and are often generated by packages that are embedded into major databases such as Oracle. Web developers use these systems and design their web pages through them. There is little or no control over the HTML code produced. They could go into the code afterwards and 'fix' the code, but this produces a support problem. It is quite common for packages like these to generate non standard code as the package developers are tempted to take advantage of useful anomalies in some browsers.

gf
ref your posts 26826/8 last night, i sympathize with your illness and appreciate your explanation, however, since you have now unfiltered h i am sure you can ask her for yourself.
oh! and by the way i wasn't at all distressed by what had been said, let alone "clearly distressed."
for you to suggest such is a great exaggeration and supposition on your part. i suppose on my part and guess i must just put it down to your illness and must then also try to make such allowances when either reading your posts or replying to them in the future.
kind regards to you
jkd

Well done Andy.

shame he's so unprepossessing!

A bit dour.

he's marginally more attractive that bernie ecclestone, though his wallet is not as stunningly fat
nick faldo is/was more charismatic!

i thought djokovic would win a close match. wrong.
i also thought that if he lost he would at least get 1 set. probably 2.
wrong again
so whats new ?
regards
jkd

Djokovic looked tired. His first serves seemed to lack pace. Not up to the job on the day. Not even a close contest as you say jkd. Murray had harder qualifying matches.

d
did i Really say that ? LoL
regards
jkd

''i thought djokovic would win a close match. wrong'' you said and I said ''Not even a close contest as you say jkd''

I wish I could have got as close as Djokovic.

d
re post 26844
i think you are correct it seems we agree then.
regards
jkd

Wimbledon 2013 Prize Money: Complete Purse and Earnings from All England Club

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1690120-wimbledon-2013-prize-money-complete-purse-and-earnings-from-all-england-club

Andy Murray has donated his £1.6m prize money to Cancer Research and Royal Marsden Hospital.

An odd comparison - Andy Murray - a man who has designated over half of his life to his chosen sport - a prime example of the ultimate athlete, and Bernie Ecclestone - bizarre.

totally irrelevant .... in the above i was comparing their visual appeal, and AM's (lack of) charisma with that of nick faldo

Haystack,

Personally, I would have said the biggest headache facing web designers nowadays is accommodating all of the different screen resolutions and getting the important bits of their content to display above the fold. Cross-browser compatibility shouldn't even be an issue if a page is W3 compliant. And even if the designer is using some kind of desktop HTML editing software or a CMS script or an off the shelf theme then, once the designer has spent a bit of time at the outset in getting the master template page(s) W3 compliant, all of the content should just drop in.

In the case of the Halifax site, I seem to recall that some of their errors were very basic, such as including tags for table rows and cells into the code before declaring the table itself. There's no excuse for that whatsoever and it shouldn't take them more than a few minutes to tidy the code up to ensure cross-browser compatibility. It probably takes them longer to provide the customer support and advise clients like 3m to change browser than it would do to fix the errors.