Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Tanker
It is the Conservatives that WANT a vote on the EU. It is Labour that doesn't.

The reason the Conning leadership want a vote is another juvenile political manoeuvre to placate the tory right wingers of the said "tory" party and divert the escapees of his party to UKIP back into the tainted tory party.

It is a split party, a large number of whom would fit into the UKIP or BNP parties quite neatly.

The only problem for them is that they wouldn't be nominated or elected, depriving them of an extra £70000 a year.

The defectors rightly distrust Cameron more and more and will continue their movement to UKIP. (Taking some of their donations or bribes with them.)

Cameron knows it is stupid to leave the EU and the fanciful negotiations proposed before the PROPOSED 2014 referendum is hogwash for fools. If he was in government at that time, he would come back from EU proclaiming his success and recommending and diverting resources to staying in.

It is just a sop to his insular followers.

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Should renegotiations of EC legislation, rules and agreements, etc. take place?

Of course, that is a necessity for any ongoing political development and administration of such.

But chucking the toys out of the pram before starting negotiations simulates the bully boy adolescent behaviour frequently shown by Cameron and cronies.

If you are talking about split parties, they don't come more split than Labour.

''Should renegotiations of EC legislation, rules and agreements, etc. take place?

Of course, that is a necessity for any ongoing political development and administration of such''.

I don't recall Labour doing any of the above, certainly not for the benefit of Britain.
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Your on the rack Hays, its coming through in your posts.

Fred has clearly ruffled your feathers.

That and the fact that Labour have recovered all the lost ground in the polls.

Im told on another site that labour will go into a 14 point lead by Friday.

Cynic cant hold your hand this time.

George I hear labour are pushing for a referendum before the next election.!!!!

gf-----I was referring to the 13 years they were in power. I may be wrong but the over-riding recollection I have was Labours willingness to cede power and responsibility. The one stick out was GB keeping us out of the Euro, whether by design or to spite TB makes no difference.
On a more general note I believe many of our problems are due to persons in responsible positions failing to be accountable for their actions or inactions.
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Well George I cant fault labour during that time.

Ive never had it better like a lot of others.

Yep sure they should have saved for a rainy day, but cant help think that any party would have done the same in those economic/business conditions.

What I cant stand with this Tory government is all the sleazy lies and Cameron fudging and misrepresenting all the time.

Ive wanted M Portillio to come back and perhaphs Ken Clarke as a chancellor but dont think Ill get my wish.

TEST MATCH........why on earth did England bat first in these conditions.???????


Barmy imo.

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"I don't recall Labour doing any of the above, certainly not for the benefit of Britain.
2517"


Your memory is fading or failing.

Check back over the last 40 plus years, there have always been negotiations and discussions over and in the EU. That is what one would expect and is reasonable.

I object to bully boy tactics and grandstanding of some purported government leaders.

As far as GB is concerned, personally and perhaps wrongly, I would have preferred him to have moved to more monetary integration.

Perhaps, he saw some of the problems with such and also that politically on the "home front" too difficult to obtain.

The problem with economic policy, is the future. Without it we all could be correct, or our decisions wouldn't matter.

8-)

TEST MATCH.... 180 for 6 now.

Barmy barmy decision to bat in these conditions.

hay Cameron is a liar he will not have a vote on the EU if he wins the next election
its a con it will not be a vote on in or out

but the con party will not win the election
has a life long tory I would sooner vote labour than for the liars now in power .

Fred I also object to bully boy tactics, and maybe my memory is fading but I don't recall you posting against GB when it was well documented that he bullied and flew into rages with his staff.
40 years ago I was a member of a union, one of thirteen unions operating in the workplace, a vote to strike was supported by all unions except the one I was in, talk about running the gauntlet. We had police officers trying to protect us on arrival and on leaving, they were not good times.
2517

T---- for Labour read McCluskey.
2517

If we are talking about bullying and corruption then look no further than Scargill who took miners out on strike with no vote and kept them there without a vote.

WHAT........... Thatcher was the biggest bully this countrys ever had.

And just how much did she hide about her dopey son........ehhhhhhhh now come on answer that one Hays.

ARMS ARMS etc, and Military operations.

ALL WITH HER KNOWLEDGE.

England have just lost 3 wickets in 4 balls!!!! 213-9.

Pathetic. Yep bad form from the captain putting them into bat. All out now.

2517,

There has been "lunacy" within the Unions during many periods in the development and I have condemned Scargill and many other leaders at various times, also the membership for some of their actions, and "physical" coercion.

However, I also found their actions understandable and against much propaganda and lying by various governments and "industrial" mismanagement of their intentions and working conditions they wished to impose on their "employees".

Also, much of the information was provided by a self advancing media distorting facts

I have never been a union member other than when working as a student on various "coal mines" and possibly other "state" owned heavy industries.

I know I objected to a "political levey" when noticing the deduction on my payslip, but did not object to much when I understood the history and explanation of such an imposition.

But if the "rights" of the employed were improved by strike action which you did not take part in, would you have not accepted those rights?


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G Brown,

If he was bullying his staff, I would condemn him, but I was known for being blunt with many (friends and foes) and I can understand his frustration.

(There is a difference between bullying, abuse and "clearing the air expressively".)

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What I understand is that the con party wishes to drum up as much cash and donations for its own political aims for those who support it, while limiting the political support for parties which support the aims and needs of classes 3,4,5 (working classes) of society.


A bit like the Gentlemen and Players, with the gentlemen have boxes, pads and helmets and already having paid the umpires, while the players have to carry the gentlemen's bags and play in their underwear.

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I think politics in this country is beginning to stink and is putrefying rapidly due to the actions of Cameron and some of his henchmen.

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Is cricket a form of an old man's baseball?