Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred I also object to bully boy tactics, and maybe my memory is fading but I don't recall you posting against GB when it was well documented that he bullied and flew into rages with his staff.
40 years ago I was a member of a union, one of thirteen unions operating in the workplace, a vote to strike was supported by all unions except the one I was in, talk about running the gauntlet. We had police officers trying to protect us on arrival and on leaving, they were not good times.
2517

T---- for Labour read McCluskey.
2517

If we are talking about bullying and corruption then look no further than Scargill who took miners out on strike with no vote and kept them there without a vote.

WHAT........... Thatcher was the biggest bully this countrys ever had.

And just how much did she hide about her dopey son........ehhhhhhhh now come on answer that one Hays.

ARMS ARMS etc, and Military operations.

ALL WITH HER KNOWLEDGE.

England have just lost 3 wickets in 4 balls!!!! 213-9.

Pathetic. Yep bad form from the captain putting them into bat. All out now.

2517,

There has been "lunacy" within the Unions during many periods in the development and I have condemned Scargill and many other leaders at various times, also the membership for some of their actions, and "physical" coercion.

However, I also found their actions understandable and against much propaganda and lying by various governments and "industrial" mismanagement of their intentions and working conditions they wished to impose on their "employees".

Also, much of the information was provided by a self advancing media distorting facts

I have never been a union member other than when working as a student on various "coal mines" and possibly other "state" owned heavy industries.

I know I objected to a "political levey" when noticing the deduction on my payslip, but did not object to much when I understood the history and explanation of such an imposition.

But if the "rights" of the employed were improved by strike action which you did not take part in, would you have not accepted those rights?


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G Brown,

If he was bullying his staff, I would condemn him, but I was known for being blunt with many (friends and foes) and I can understand his frustration.

(There is a difference between bullying, abuse and "clearing the air expressively".)

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What I understand is that the con party wishes to drum up as much cash and donations for its own political aims for those who support it, while limiting the political support for parties which support the aims and needs of classes 3,4,5 (working classes) of society.


A bit like the Gentlemen and Players, with the gentlemen have boxes, pads and helmets and already having paid the umpires, while the players have to carry the gentlemen's bags and play in their underwear.

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I think politics in this country is beginning to stink and is putrefying rapidly due to the actions of Cameron and some of his henchmen.

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Is cricket a form of an old man's baseball?

cut the crap you guys and concentrate on the serious stuff ..... like Oz 19 for 2!

It looks like gf has wrongly analysed the cricket today. It matches his deluded view of politics.

Two aussie wickets taken in first three over's.

cynic
It is possible to watch the cricket live from where you are. There are a number of streams you can get access to.

watched the rugby that way, though unfortunately was out for nearly all the 2nd half ....... as for the cricket, i can watch the paint dry AND keep up to date with the ball/ball commentary on the ordinary net

There is a large river by you.

Why not use that.













For washing, of course.

What a ball! Now 22 for 3.

Fred re----But if the "rights" of the employed were improved by strike action which you did not take part in, would you have not accepted those rights?
It was a case of militant union bosses wanting to flex their muscles and yes I would not have been permitted to refuse, but the outcome was such that the strikers, p----d off returned to work.
The top crass (yes 'c' not 'b') union leader was none other than Jack Dromey husband of Harriet Harman and now an MP in his own right. You remember Fred, whilst Labour party treasurer he claimed he was unaware of £3.5m in loans in the cash for peerages scandal.

Re GB's bullying---what a cop out

After you! Greenpeace protesters climbing up The Shard in London

royal mail sell off IF TTHE GOVENRMENT WANT TO SELL OFF BAD ASSETS GET RID OF THE BBC SELL THAT OFF OR GIVE IT AWAY
THE MOST CORRUPT WASTE OF PUBLIC MONEY
THE BBC IS SHITE RUN BY CROOKS AND ANTI UK

Haystack - 10 Jul 2013 17:15 - 27002 of 27009
It looks like gf has wrongly analysed the cricket today. It matches his deluded view of politics.

Two aussie wickets taken in first three over's. ..........ends

Exactly Hays, just think if we had put them in, they may have been 95 all out. Thats what I was meaning the swing conditions were set up for Jimmy Anderson and Broad yesterday morning.

I think Cook the captain was eyeing up the dry brown pitch and wanting cracks and thinking of his spinner too much.

It could be costly especially if atmospheric conditions change today. Hope not though.

2517.

I don't remember and only have fleeting "memories" of Jack Dromey and his "personna"

Not sure why, but may look him up.

However, you state your problem was the £3.5 million loan.

Was it illegal to do so and was it repaid?

Was it for his own personal use.

How does it rate against observations from Wickopedia:

"
In May 2009 Jenkin was reported by the Daily Telegraph to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was just paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[3]
On 27 October 2009 it was initially recommended that Bernard Jenkin pay back £63,250 by expenses auditor Sir Thomas Legg. This is the highest amount known to have been recommended after an audit of MPs' claims on second homes expenses.[4][5] This amount was reduced to £36,250 following an appeal.[6] "


This gentleman is still active as and MP.


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There are abuses of "system" across the board.

Fred did you know that before the last general election a Tory Donner was recorded as contributing £1 million.

Then as one looked down the list his wife his son and his daughter contributed a further £3 million.

Half of what Unite contribute........... from just 4 people.

Little wonder Milliband says the Tory party are run by a select few at the very top.

(source Andrew Neal daily politics)