Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

My rant for the day. Then out in the sun.

Lord Kinnock has said that the Vote Leave campaign could win the European Union referendum "by default", if turnout was low. Along with five other former Labour leaders, he warned a Brexit will happen, if Labour voters decided to stay at home.

Another political failure that sucked the EU tit for all its worth. Kinnock, after stepping down as Labour leader, was an EU commissioner for 10 years until 2004.
He reportedly earned a £1.85 million salary during his time in Brussels, plus a living allowance worth £276,962, and was heavily criticised for the large pay-off and pension he received when he left. Kinnock’s wife, Glenys, Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead (how nice for her to recognise Anglesey because I doubt the good folk of Anglesey would recognise her), was a Labour MEP from 1994 to 2009 and is also entitled to a generous pension from her time in Europe.
Their son, Stephen, now shoed into the safe Labour seat of Aberavon, also worked as a research assistant in the European Parliament after graduating from university, and then the British Council, on the way marrying the Danish Prime Minister. No, not Birgitte Nyborg (who I fancy) but a Helle Thorning-Schmidt. Good on him. He may represent a Welsh community but will never get his hands dirty working down pit.
Rachel Kinnock, the Kinnock’s daughter, worked as her mother’s executive assistant in Brussels. Nepotism? Never! She is now married to film producer Stuart Bentham, whom she met working on the set of the comedy show Drop The Dead Donkey.
‘She still thinks she’s in TV,’ remarked one Labour source. ‘She totters around Westminster in high heels and designer-style outfits like something out of The Devil Wears Prada. I don’t think she’s ever heard of Primark.’

It.

Are you more successful than Kinnock, or is it the less competent being jealous of others.

Turn that argument on its head Freda and think back to your constant whinging re the success of persons who attended Eton, jealous?

Major 'angry at Leave campaign deceit'

Well he would know about deceit wouldn't he!
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Compared with Cameron or the old Faggot Thatcher?

i rate john major very highly ..... it matters not whether you agree with him, but he makes his points very clearly and without screech

fred's disparaging comment is merely worth binning, and typical of the man

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9705

Opinium have a new EU referendum poll in the Observer. The topline figures are REMAIN 43%, LEAVE 41%, Don’t know 14%… if you get the data from Opinium’s own site (the full tabs are here). If you read the reports of the poll on the Observer website however the topline figures have Leave three points ahead. What gives?

I’m not quite sure how the Observer ended up reporting the poll as it did, but the Opinium website is clear. Opinium have introduced a methodology change (incorporating some attitudinal weights) but have included what the figures would have been on their old methodology to allow people to see the change in the last fortnight. So their proper headline figures show a two point lead for Remain.

john major was wrong on Turkey , wrong on wages , wrong on staying in the EU and was wrong to make personal attacks on Boris. Cameron's getting desperate .

Heads I win, tails you lose.


Pro-Remain MPs are considering using their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU single market if there is a vote for Brexit, the BBC has learnt.
The MPs fear a post-Brexit government might negotiate a limited free trade deal with the EU, which they say would damage the UK's economy.
There is a pro-Remain majority in the House of Commons of 454 MPs to 147.
A Vote Leave campaign spokesman said MPs will not be able to "defy the will of the electorate" on key issues.
The single market guarantees the free movement of goods, people, services and capital.
The BBC has learned pro-Remain MPs would use their voting power in the House of Commons to protect what they see as the economic benefits of a single market, which gives the UK access to 500 million consumers.
Staying inside the single market would mean Britain would have to keep its borders open to EU workers and continue paying into EU coffers.

I suspect there was always a fix available in the event of people voting the wrong way.


However, if the vote is out, any fit up by the mp's would be short lived unless they were to withdraw for public view altogether.

Odds on betfair have tightened over the last week on leaving :

Remain out from 1.34 to 1.44
Leave in from 3.95 to 3.25

Betfair is probably the best indicator of average odds across the industry.

the report that parliament may well ignore the result if it's "out" will only reinforce the "out" vote

it's not really anything to do with personalities, but i think the voting public will be very angry indeed if the result is perceived to be irrelevant

You must Vote to leave the EU or wake up with the worst hangover in history

By
Boris Johnson


5 June 2016 • 9:00pm



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/05/you-must-vote-to-leave-the-eu-or-wake-up-with-the-worst-hangover/

Imagine waking up to Boris.

Looks like the market is warming to the prospect of Brexit.
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Jean-Claude Juncker drunk

http://order-order.com/2016/06/04/drunk-again-juncker-happy-slapping-eu-leaders/

What an embarrassment, disgraceful behaviour, especially from someone in such a prominent position. Is it any wonder these irks have steered the EU into troubled waters
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If it had been cameron being greeted, instead of been slapped and kissed,
junker would've bent him over and rode him like a squeeling pig.

Yes, but dave would like it.