cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
2517GEORGE
- 19 Sep 2008 09:49
- 2730 of 21973
dealerdeal---------I can't access my selftrade A/c either bloody annoying, my halifax A/c is ok though.
2517
HARRYCAT
- 19 Sep 2008 09:50
- 2731 of 21973
I agree, dealerdear. Selftrade have been poor this last week. Login page down & phones on permanent hold. Am going to set limit sells on my stocks over the weekend & see if they trigger early next week.
Am already a Barclays customer, so might see if they are a better bet.
Strawbs
- 19 Sep 2008 09:51
- 2732 of 21973
Does anyone know if the short selling rules affect market makers? It might explain the large rise in the financials. Huge demand with market makers only able to match sells with available stock, rather than short selling and covering later.
Just a thought.
In my opinion.
Strawbs.
Greyhound
- 19 Sep 2008 10:11
- 2733 of 21973
I've always stuck with a traditional broker with phone contact. It costs more but every few years with a week like this it pays for itself in one trade as you get your deal done.
stroreysj
- 19 Sep 2008 10:24
- 2734 of 21973
greyhound do you have to pay a management fee for the service or is it just i higher fee for the trade
Greyhound
- 19 Sep 2008 10:44
- 2735 of 21973
i pay a management fee for my isa portfolio then plus the usual fees. I don't pay a fee for my non-isa holdings (at least I think I don't) but fees to hold in nominee account. I learnt my lesson late 80's/90's because with this volatility online trades get pulled first and you can't deal the volume you want. Something to bear in mind for the future.
HARRYCAT
- 19 Sep 2008 11:14
- 2736 of 21973
That arguement works both ways though, Greyhound. Having an online broker works for most of the year & only costs 12.50 per trade regardless of the quantity. High street brokers charge a %age commission, which is unacceptable for the frequent trader. Yes, we are suffering at the moment, but over a period of time our charges work out less than using the high street.
Selftrade now working, albeit grindingly slow!
stroreysj
- 19 Sep 2008 11:27
- 2737 of 21973
is anyone considering shorting the FTSE ? . It seems to me at its high but with the option expiry its a hard call. I think I will have small punt with a tightstop and lump on when it closezs for monday
Strawbs
- 19 Sep 2008 11:32
- 2738 of 21973
Can you still short the FTSE? Surely it contains financials, so how does that work?
Strawbs.
stroreysj
- 19 Sep 2008 11:35
- 2739 of 21973
sell on IG . I don't think it applies to spread betting
Strawbs
- 19 Sep 2008 11:37
- 2740 of 21973
Oh. OK. Maybe the indexes are done differently.
Strawbs.
Falcothou
- 19 Sep 2008 11:41
- 2741 of 21973
IG cfds are very good and provide dma with access to auctions, level 2 etc. Their spreads aren't as good as some and they trade the account in different currencies which can get complicated if cable drops but they have possibly the best charts and they will not try and screw you by spiking your stop losses as some spreadbetting firms seem to do! However they have done something very strange with my Hbos trade this morning
Greyhound
- 19 Sep 2008 13:31
- 2742 of 21973
Harrycat, fair point it does work both ways. What's the typical max equiv these days you can do in one trade online, say for ftse100 stock?
dealerdear
- 19 Sep 2008 13:34
- 2743 of 21973
Nothing if it's Selftrade lol although it does appear to have just come back I think!
Don't know I'm afraid but the moral of this story is have more than one account.
Strawbs
- 19 Sep 2008 13:40
- 2744 of 21973
Still going up I see. I haven't bought anything, but might be tempted with an XUKS ETF, assuming you can still buy them when things settle down a bit. By removing short sellers and forcing others to close, the market is now effectively pushing on an open door. But be warned, this has also removed the downward brakes, no short covering means no reason to buy in a falling market. If anything nasty comes along now, this biggest rise in history will probably be matched by the biggest plunge too.
In my opinion.
Strawbs.
dealerdear
- 19 Sep 2008 13:44
- 2745 of 21973
Fair point Strawbs.
I've only just come back on and don't recognise most of these prices!
What do we do now though? Is this rise going to continue or will we have profit taking Monday?
Your thoughts would be appreciated cause I haven't a damn clue.
Greyhound
- 19 Sep 2008 13:51
- 2746 of 21973
US pointing a fair bit higher now and looking at the Yen carry trade, looking good for further gains.
2517GEORGE
- 19 Sep 2008 13:54
- 2747 of 21973
dealerdeal I reckon some serious profit taking will occur in the last hour or so today, aimo of course.
2517
Strawbs
- 19 Sep 2008 13:56
- 2748 of 21973
Don't know either. Could go on for days, weeks, maybe even months, or go pop on Monday and open down 500 points. I've no doubt this will get the news headlines as I'm sure it was designed to do. My fear is people will see this as a new way to make money and jump in with both feet, then get burned as the shorters surely were today. They've taken the brakes off the car now, and with less weight it'll certainly move faster up the hill, the only problem is, what happens when it reaches the top!
In my opinion.
Strawbs.
dealerdear
- 19 Sep 2008 14:02
- 2749 of 21973
thanks all.
I'm sitting on a couple of good profits but not sure now whether to sell and rebuy if a small drop, to sell and leave alone or let it run.
Decisions.