Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/employment-and-support/

From 27 October 2008 Employment and Support Allowance replaced Incapacity Benefit and Income Support paid on incapacity grounds for new customers.

Here you are Cynic, you will find all you need to know here in this document.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/statistics

E+SA is patently NOT unemployment benefit then nor anything remotely like or connected to it

Hays said......

Haystack - 17 Jul 2013 18:12 - 27341 of 27343

What is Employment and Support Allowance

Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) is for people who:

can't work because of sickness or disability, and
aren't getting Statutory Sick Pay...............ends

So please advise why would someone who was self employed other than being sick require extra money?????. .

Obviously if they are working they cant claim jobseekers allowance.

If you are suggesting its because of their limited hours that would be covered by Income Support which is ESA income based.

sticky - like paxo, i'll ask you the same =question yet again .... even a yes or no would be an improvement ...... as you decline to answer, i'ld hazard a guess that the answers are no, not really true at all, well obviously not in that case, but perhaps you'ld care to prove otherwise ...

you are claiming or implying that the system/method has been changed since the last election; is that truth or imagination, and if truth, when exactly?

as you decline to answer, i'ld hazard a guess that the answers are no, not really true at all, well obviously not in that case, but perhaps you'ld care to prove otherwise ...

Cynic if your so idle that you cant be assed to answer your own question (and I have provided a valid link) I suggest you ask your organ grinder to do the work for you.

Typical ex public school boy behaviour thinks he has servants working for him and that he is beyond getting down and doing some hard graft.

Its the same on the stock threads he expects you to come up with all the answers he asks rather than getting stuck in and doing the reasearch himself.

Cynic your on your own bud, GET YOUR IDLE POSH ASS OF THE FLOOR AND GET SOME WORK DONE, or has EVERYTHING ALWAYS GOT TO BE HANDED DOWN TO YOU.

8-)))))))))))))

But I sure he said he was once a waiter.

Hays for you to look at..... i do realise it is rather complicated but thats Ian Duncan Smith for you.....................

ESA can be either contributory or income-related. If claimants satisfy national insurance conditions they can claim contributory ESA for up to one year (if they get the work-related activity component) or indefinitely (if they get the support component).[2] Income-related ESA is subject to a means test and certain other conditions. If they meet both sets of conditions, they can get contributory ESA topped up with income-related ESA....................

In lay mans terms ESA has taken over from Income Support when their is work related activity connected.

Fred a waiter, you mean waiting for other people to sort out his querys the idle arse.

ESA has nothing to do with being self employed. I posted a couple of links above that actually explain benefits for self employed. I thought that you gave advice to people seeking benefits. It turns out that your advice is complete rubbish.

sticky - your snide comment tells me all ..... you don't have an answer to my question; more precisely, what you posted was garbage .... if it was otherwise, you'ld be jumping up and down saying to the world, "i told you so, i told you so", just as you gleefully did with SGP

Hays posted.......

Haystack - 17 Jul 2013 19:41 - 27351 of 27357
ESA has nothing to do with being self employed.

Hays, if someone today becomes sick who is self employed and they dont have any savings or relatives to turn to PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT BENEFIT THEY WOULD CLAIM???????????

Now I await your apology.

Now heres the answer from CAB.......

I am too ill to go to work. Can I get any benefits?
If you can't work because you are sick or disabled, you may qualify for Statutory Sick Pay (SSP). You must earn an average of at least £109 each week to qualify. If you earn less than this amount, or if you're self-employed, you can't get Statutory Sick Pay - you could claim Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) instead.

Cynic the figures are fiddled and represent nothing like the true state of unemployment in this country. Thats it finito.

gf
The question was not about sickness. If you are self employed, you can get working tax credit, job seekers allowance, housing benefit. Just read the official web pages.

cynic
Are you still on holiday? It is very hot in London. I am just having Parma ham and melon for dinner. Some years ago I stayed in Rome withe the cousin of my best man. He was a general in the Italian Air Force. In the summer, when it was hot he just ate Parma ham and melon for his evening meals.

Look stop fudging, answer my question above, in fact ive answered it for you.

What a CLOWN you are.

Now we know that

1. your totaly mislead people

2. Your a coward and cant apologise.

Ive always thought of Haystack as a bully and a coward.

More or less backs up what people on advfn say about him, in fact the names hes called across their I couldnt repeat here.

Of course he wouldnt dare say the same things to people on the spot. His type have an habit of hiding behind a keyboard.

sticky - you aren't even clever at this .... try to answer the question asked; you haven't gone anywhere near it yet, but in case you have forgotten what it was, i'll post it yet again ....

re - unemployment numbers - you are claiming or implying that the system/method has been changed since the last election; is that truth or imagination, and if truth, when exactly?

gf
Just to remind you of the posts that began this discussion. You will see that it has nothing to do with sickness.

Look at these links
http://www.turn2us.org.uk/information__resources/benefits/working_or_looking_for_work/self_employment.aspx

and

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/statistics

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TANKER - 17 Jul 2013 17:08 - 27335 of 27357
self employed do not get job seekers they claim another benefit which is around the same . cynic
cynic [Send an email to cynic] [View cynic's profile] - 17 Jul 2013 17:15 - 27336 of 27357
really? .... what's it called? ..... any idea?
certainly one of our regular courier chaps would love to know, as he reckons not

Hays,

When I sat in Zagreb with temperatures in the 30s c, some years ago with the Secretary to the Supreme Court of Croatia (the uncle of my wife), his wife had prepared the food and we started with melon, the wine and other produce were from his friends.

Beautiful evening, but I can't remember what else we ate, but I know it was good, and the company was marvellous and their problems overwhelming.

Memories.

I can recall thinking our aims were similar, but how insignificant we all were.

Perhaps, it was the Slivovitz and Vinjak from friends.