Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Ive always thought of Haystack as a bully and a coward.

More or less backs up what people on advfn say about him, in fact the names hes called across their I couldnt repeat here.

Of course he wouldnt dare say the same things to people on the spot. His type have an habit of hiding behind a keyboard.

sticky - you aren't even clever at this .... try to answer the question asked; you haven't gone anywhere near it yet, but in case you have forgotten what it was, i'll post it yet again ....

re - unemployment numbers - you are claiming or implying that the system/method has been changed since the last election; is that truth or imagination, and if truth, when exactly?

gf
Just to remind you of the posts that began this discussion. You will see that it has nothing to do with sickness.

Look at these links
http://www.turn2us.org.uk/information__resources/benefits/working_or_looking_for_work/self_employment.aspx

and

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/statistics

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TANKER - 17 Jul 2013 17:08 - 27335 of 27357
self employed do not get job seekers they claim another benefit which is around the same . cynic
cynic [Send an email to cynic] [View cynic's profile] - 17 Jul 2013 17:15 - 27336 of 27357
really? .... what's it called? ..... any idea?
certainly one of our regular courier chaps would love to know, as he reckons not

Hays,

When I sat in Zagreb with temperatures in the 30s c, some years ago with the Secretary to the Supreme Court of Croatia (the uncle of my wife), his wife had prepared the food and we started with melon, the wine and other produce were from his friends.

Beautiful evening, but I can't remember what else we ate, but I know it was good, and the company was marvellous and their problems overwhelming.

Memories.

I can recall thinking our aims were similar, but how insignificant we all were.

Perhaps, it was the Slivovitz and Vinjak from friends.

sticky - like paxo, i'll ask you the same question yet again .... even a yes or no would be an improvement ...... as you decline to answer, i'ld hazard a guess that the answers are no, not really true at all, well obviously not in that case, but perhaps you'ld care to prove otherwise ...

re unemployment numbers .... you are claiming or implying that the system/method has been changed since the last election; is that truth or imagination, and if truth, when exactly?

as you decline to answer, i'ld hazard a guess that the answers are no, not really true at all, well obviously not in that case, but perhaps you'ld care to prove otherwise ...

Hays does your wife know your a COWARD?????????????????????

Sorry gf don't wish to be rude, just read your above comment - your wife now knows that you cannot help her out when the heat is turned up and your need is "just one cornetto" !!!!!!!! Oh! deary me does anyone really know how funny some of the comments are on here?

gf
As usual when you are clearly wrong and wrong at the top of your voice, you resort to abuse. Is this behaviour typical of the misguided left activists we have to put up with. Apart from Tanker, who has rather specific problems, you seem to be the most consistently wrong poster on this BB. It is rarely worth the effort to bring out all your errors. However, when caught bang to rights concerning the rubbish that you post, you never have the good grace to admit your errors or even close to it. I could go on, but the comments would be wasted on you.

Haystack your a very ignorant old man. An old man that will stop at nothing to cover up your own mistakes and lies. Not only are you a person with no morals but you also thrive on trying to upset other people ie, witness the BLNX thread where you make claims you dont have any postion but day in day out you abuse younger less experienced posters. I have come across some of the most vile posters on B/Boards but you stand out head and shoulders as the worst of them all. Not only are you a liar but you also seem to get some kind of sexual gratification out of your bullying of other people. I just hope your wife and sons never ever see how you conduct yourself on this board or other boards you frequent. Your a little man who seeks security in numbers and a coward who hides behind his keyboard, theirs far more I could throw at you but your so ignorant it would be wasted on you. For gods sake I hope your children dont grow up like you.

yet another rant from sticky BUT STILL HE CANNOT OR REFUSES TO ANSWER THE RELATIVELY SIMPLE QUESTION I PUT TO HIM .... you may ask why that would be, or perhaps just go to the simple explanation that he cannot back his allegations with FACT!

Listening to the radio today about hospitals at near breaking point due to this hot spell. Three points came up, two you would think the norm -

1, Heat stroke

2, Sun burn

3. Yes - Toes being cut off by gardeners.

Looks like the sun is going to folks heads.

cynic
Gf's post is one of the funniest I have ever seen. However, I have always taken the view that to get upset about being insulted, you have to have some respect for the person making the insult.

Please don't mention toes being cut off. It gave me a shiver at the thought of it.

In other words think what you are doing and be careful. Shocking. No more mention of toes.

David Cameron accused of 'weasel words' in Lynton Crosby row

Telegraph.....

David Cameron has refused to say whether he discussed plain cigarette packaging with Lynton Crosby, the Conservative election strategist at the centre of controversy over his links to the tobacco industry.
By Tim Ross, Political Correspondent
7:51PM BST 17 Jul 2013

The Prime Minister faced repeated questioning over the issue as Labour called for an inquiry into whether Mr Crosby's activities breached ministerial standards.

The Tory chairman, Grant Shapps, flatly denied that Mr Crosby had ever even spoken to Mr Cameron about cigarette packaging, but Mr Cameron declined to be so clear when asked about the issue himself.

Mr Crosby, the Australian political consultant, has been hired to advise the Tories on their campaign to win a majority in the 2015 general election.

He masterminded Boris Johnson’s two successful bids for the London Mayoralty and has been credited with sharpening the Conservatives’ focus since he started working for the party nationally in January.

Reports have suggested that Mr Crosby told Mr Cameron to “get the barnacles off the boat” by concentrating on core electoral battlegrounds and abandoning legislation on peripheral and unpopular issues.

However, he is now under scrutiny after it emerged that his company, Crosby Textor, has had clients including the tobacco company, Philip Morris International, which has opposed plans for cigarettes to be sold in plain packages.

The government has now decided to not to introduce a policy on plain cigarette packaging, arguing that there is not enough evidence that such a plan would work.

The Prime Minister insisted he had “never been lobbied” by Mr Crosby on any subject.

But Labour said the careful answer amounted to "weasel words" and claimed Mr Crosby had told Mr Cameron to ditch plain packaging in “a devastating conflict of interest”.

Ed Miliband declared that the Prime Minister could not deny that he “had a conversation with” Mr Crosby about the policy.

The Labour leader wrote to the Cabinet Secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, calling on him to investigate whether there had been “a back door breach” of the ministerial code which seeks to prevent conflicts of interest between the government and businesses.

After the clash with Mr Miliband in the Commons, the controversy followed Mr Cameron to Downing Street where he had been holding talks with the Italian Prime Minister, Enrico Letta.

Standing alongside Mr Letta at a press conference in Number 10, Mr Cameron appeared increasingly frustrated at being asked again to give a straight answer on whether he had ever discussed plain packaging with Mr Crosby.

“On the issue of Lynton Crosby, this is a complete red herring which is raised by the Labour Party because they are in political trouble,” Mr Cameron said.

“This is complete nonsense from start to finish.

“As I said, I have never been lobbied by Lynton Crosby about anything. It is not his job to advise on any policies or policy areas. He is paid by the Conservative Party as a campaign adviser.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10186593/David-Cameron-accused-of-weasel-words-in-Lynton-Crosby-row.html

Ed Miliband demands Lynton Crosby 'conflict of interest' inquiry

Ed Miliband accuses Mr Cameron of being in the pocket of "big tobacco"

Ed Miliband is calling for an inquiry into whether lobbyist Lynton Crosby was behind David Cameron's decision to shelve plans for plain cigarette packs.

Labour says Mr Crosby's job advising the Tories on election strategy and his company's work for tobacco giant Philip Morris is a clear conflict of interest.

Mr Miliband has written to cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood to demand an inquiry.

Mr Cameron and senior ministers insist Mr Crosby has no influence on policy.

Labour has seized on Mr Crosby's background as a lobbyist for tobacco companies to portray the prime minister as being in the pocket of big business, with Mr Miliband saying Mr Cameron was the prime minister for "Benson and Hedge funds".

'Smear campaign'

They say this is the most likely explanation for Mr Cameron's apparent change of heart on whether cigarette packs in England and Wales should be stripped of their colourful branding to prevent children from taking up smoking.

Sarah Wollaston enjoys Mr Miliband's 'Benson and Hedge funds' joke
But the Conservatives have accused Labour of a "smear" campaign designed to distract attention from their own difficulties over the influence of the trade unions.

They have also discovered that a former aide to Mr Miliband, James Barge, now works for Philip Morris as corporate affairs manager - and are demanding to know whether he has lobbied shadow ministers.

Mr Cameron says the decision on packaging has been delayed to gather more evidence - exactly as Labour did when it was in power.

Earlier, at Prime Minister's Questions, Mr Miliband asked the prime minister to confirm he had held no discussions with Mr Crosby about plain packaging before making his decision.

Mr Cameron said the Australian spindoctor had "never lobbied me on anything".

Mr Miliband said: "The whole of the country will have heard those same weasel words that you are sticking to. He can't deny that he had a conversation with Lynton Crosby about this issue.

"Even by the standards of this prime minister, this is a disgraceful episode. [Tory MP Sarah Wollaston] described it as a 'day of shame for this government'.

"You are the prime minister for Benson and Hedge funds and you know it. Can't you see that there is a devastating conflict of interest between having your key adviser raking it in from big tobacco and then advising you not to go ahead with plain packaging?"

'Conflict of interest'

Mr Miliband has now written to the UK's top civil servant Sir Jeremy Heywood claiming that if Mr Crosby had been a government employee he would be guilty of breaching the ministerial code, which forbids conflicts of interest.

In his letter, Mr Miliband says Mr Crosby reportedly met David Cameron at his official country residence, Chequers, ahead of the Queen's Speech at which the apparent U-turn on cigarette packaging was announced.

He adds that Mr Crosby has also represented the oil and gas industry and the drinks industry - both areas in which he claims the government has recently shifted position.

The letter says: "In light of these conflicts of interest, I believe it: A) makes sense for you to launch an inquiry to establish public confidence about the activities of Mr Crosby;

"B) provide details of the checks that the Health Secretary said exist to prevent Mr Crosby being involved in areas where he has clients;

"C) set out what steps you are taking to ensure those checks also apply to Mr Crosby's advice to the Prime Minister, given that they clearly have not to date."

At Prime Minister's Questions, Mr Cameron said: "Let me be absolutely clear about this - the decision not to go ahead for the time being is a decision made by me and the health secretary.

"If you don't agree with that decision then you can attack me for making it."

Senior ministers - including Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg - have also been lining up to deny Mr Crosby had any influence on policy discussions.

Mr Clegg told BBC Radio 5 Live: "I have never met the guy. I don't know what he looks like. I wouldn't recognise him if I passed him in the street."

It comes as MPs begin a fresh attempt to clean-up the lobbying industry in the wake of a string of cash-for-influence scandals.

The government's lobbying bill will create a register of lobbying agencies, who seek to influence government decision-making on clients' behalf.

The firms would have to publish a full list of their clients, although some campaigners say this will have a limited effect as it only includes "third party" lobbyists, rather than companies, charities and trade unions which lobby directly rather than through lobbying agencies


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338997

Such bizzare posts.

David Cameron accused of 'weasel words' in Lynton Crosby row

Telegraph.....

David Cameron has refused to say whether he discussed plain cigarette packaging with Lynton Crosby, the Conservative election strategist at the centre of controversy over his links to the tobacco industry.
By Tim Ross, Political Correspondent
7:51PM BST 17 Jul 2013

The Prime Minister faced repeated questioning over the issue as Labour called for an inquiry into whether Mr Crosby's activities breached ministerial standards.

The Tory chairman, Grant Shapps, flatly denied that Mr Crosby had ever even spoken to Mr Cameron about cigarette packaging, but Mr Cameron declined to be so clear when asked about the issue himself.

Mr Crosby, the Australian political consultant, has been hired to advise the Tories on their campaign to win a majority in the 2015 general election.

He masterminded Boris Johnson’s two successful bids for the London Mayoralty and has been credited with sharpening the Conservatives’ focus since he started working for the party nationally in January.

Reports have suggested that Mr Crosby told Mr Cameron to “get the barnacles off the boat” by concentrating on core electoral battlegrounds and abandoning legislation on peripheral and unpopular issues.

However, he is now under scrutiny after it emerged that his company, Crosby Textor, has had clients including the tobacco company, Philip Morris International, which has opposed plans for cigarettes to be sold in plain packages.

The government has now decided to not to introduce a policy on plain cigarette packaging, arguing that there is not enough evidence that such a plan would work.

The Prime Minister insisted he had “never been lobbied” by Mr Crosby on any subject.

But Labour said the careful answer amounted to "weasel words" and claimed Mr Crosby had told Mr Cameron to ditch plain packaging in “a devastating conflict of interest”.

Ed Miliband declared that the Prime Minister could not deny that he “had a conversation with” Mr Crosby about the policy.

The Labour leader wrote to the Cabinet Secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, calling on him to investigate whether there had been “a back door breach” of the ministerial code which seeks to prevent conflicts of interest between the government and businesses.

After the clash with Mr Miliband in the Commons, the controversy followed Mr Cameron to Downing Street where he had been holding talks with the Italian Prime Minister, Enrico Letta.

Standing alongside Mr Letta at a press conference in Number 10, Mr Cameron appeared increasingly frustrated at being asked again to give a straight answer on whether he had ever discussed plain packaging with Mr Crosby.

“On the issue of Lynton Crosby, this is a complete red herring which is raised by the Labour Party because they are in political trouble,” Mr Cameron said.

“This is complete nonsense from start to finish.

“As I said, I have never been lobbied by Lynton Crosby about anything. It is not his job to advise on any policies or policy areas. He is paid by the Conservative Party as a campaign adviser.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10186593/David-Cameron-accused-of-weasel-words-in-Lynton-Crosby-row.html

What advantage is there to Cameron to scrap plain packaging on cigarettes? None.

Fuss about nothing.