I am interested to hear any opinions about the proposed Royal Mail floatation. Will it remain a croc and sink or will it open at a premium and fly?

any more crappy excuses from your quarter?
it's called making the theory fit the facts :-)

I am getting interested in this one again after the carpet bagging.

UBS note today:
"Last week, we had negative trading statements from both TNT Express and UK Mail. Although it is dangerous to extrapolate too much, the commentary on weak UK parcel volumes (UK Mail) and adverse pan-European trading (TNT Express) are clearly not positive for Royal Mail. Due to this we have cut RMG’s UK parcel FY2014 volume growth forecast from 2.5% to 2%, implying 1% growth in H1, followed by 3% in H2. GLS performance likely to be less impacted.
We have also reassessed GLS’s performance given the newsflow but the largest change has been to the rate we translate euro earnings, given recent moves. We now assume € per £ of 1.26 this year and 1.27 thereafter. We believe that flat EBIT margins at GLS are perhaps a better reflection of the kind of performance we can expect in the current economic environment in continental Europe.
A lot of challenges face Royal Mail but share price is largely discounting this RMG faces a number of challenges, including modernising its network, managing the decline in letter mail volumes, the threat from competition in both letter and parcel, as well as dealing with a highly fixed cost base. We believe RMG faces particular issues with having a highly unionised, relatively well paid workforce at a time when its revenue visibility is low and when both the letter and parcel markets are undergoing significant change. Having said all this we believe the poor share price performance and valuation largely reflect the fact these negatives are known by the market.
Valuation: EPS estimates cut by 6-8%; Rating raised to Neutral, PT cut to 400p. We have cut our EPS estimates by 6-8% going forward, given the weakness in UK parcel as well as updated FX forecasts. We note that our underlying improvement in margins is now 5pp, in-line with company guidance. RMG trades on 5.3x CY2015 EBITDA, 12.3x P/E versus peers on 3-8x and 7-16x. However, we regard RMG as more of a work in progress than the likes of Austrian Post, bpost, and Deutsche Post. We have cut our DCF-based price target to 400p."

so this was floated at about 330 from memory, and then there was a massive ballyhoo that it had been disgustingly underpriced
12 months later, reality has set in and the price is barely 400, what do we hear?
was that a deafening silence?

StockMarketWire.com
Royal Mail says contracts have been exchanged for the sale of its former Paddington mail centre site at London Street, W2 to Great Western Developments for £111m in cash.

The one-acre site is next to the Paddington main line railway station in central West London. It is part of Royal Mail's 'London Development Portfolio', which comprises surplus sites Royal Mail has identified for potential sale or redevelopment in London. Royal Mail vacated the Paddington site in 2008 and operations relocated to Mount Pleasant.

Great Western Developments is owned by Hotel Properties, a listed Singaporean hotels and real estate company, which has a 70% ultimate shareholding, and Anchorage View Pte Limited, which has a 30% shareholding, both via a joint venture holding company.

In November 2012 Westminster City Council resolved to grant planning permission2 for Royal Mail's mixed use scheme on the site. The purchaser intends to seek further planning permission which, if granted, will require the purchaser to pay a further £20m to Royal Mail Group Limited. In addition, if the purchaser sells the site within two years of completion, it has agreed to pay Royal Mail Group Limited 50% of any net sale proceeds above the £111m purchase price if sold within the first year and 25 per cent if sold within the second year.

A 10% non-refundable deposit of £11.1m is payable upon exchange of contracts. The remaining proceeds will be payable upon completion, which is expected to take place on 8 December 2014. Net cash proceeds of the sale of around £108 million will be used for general corporate purposes. The site had a net book value at 30 March 2014 of £1.6m. The net book value reflects the purchase of the land over a number of years, beginning in 1889, subsequent building and development and Royal Mail's policy of depreciating freehold properties over a period of up to 50 years. In addition, around £30m has been invested in buying, building and fitting out the site over the years.

Royal Mail group property director Martin Gafsen said: "Royal Mail continues to seek to optimise value from sites no longer required for operational use and will consider all options as to the manner in which this is achieved."

"......Royal Mail's policy of depreciating freehold properties over a period of up to 50 years"
How the hell does that work?????? ...In Central London?????

how can auditors even accept that sort of rubbish?

Are you still holding Harry?

No. I have never held this stock , but only because I didn't have spare cash at the time of float.

I had it at float and sold too quickly - its starting to look interesting again?

Blast!

RMG

Goldman sachs note today..........

Royal Mail is among the leading risers, up 12.3p at 464.6p after Goldman Sachs resumed coverage with a buy recommendation and 575p price target. The bank said:

We believe Royal Mail should benefit from margin improvements, as the restructuring gathers pace, and from the potential disposal of the London real estate (which we value at 80p a share).

Despite its relatively weak positioning, owing to high competition in both parcels and mail, we believe Royal Mail offers significant earnings growth potential, as it strives to increase its efficiency levels and continues to grow in parcels. While the parcels market remains competitive in the UK, Royal Mail has been able to increase its market share from 35% in 2011 to 38% in 2013.

On the other hand, its staff costs represent 60% of the total costs, compared to 45%, on average, for the other postals under our coverage; bringing this down to the average cost of the other postals could result in as much as £1.3bn of savings. With 31% of the employees over 30 years old, we believe that natural attrition, in addition to specific efficiency plans, will help to reduce costs and gradually bring Royal Mail margins within the lower end of the regulatory range of 5-10%, from 4.5% in 2014. We forecast earnings before interest and tax margins to improve to 6.0% by 2017 and 6.9% by 2019, and we expect Royal Mail to be able to deliver 8.7% EBITDA and 16% earnings growth over 2014-2017.

long way out (away) these forecasts - 2014/19 - and goodness knows what might happen in the meantime

you can bet your bottom $ that the unions, rightly or wrongly, will fight tooth and nail to keep what very much looks like heavy over-staffing

ohhhhhhhhhh SHUT UP............and get some bought.

If you had done when I flagged them up this morning youd already be in profit.

Oh really Alf.. your so yesterday.

When I flagged them up this morning LOL LOL

Mr 90% has spoken!

Do we have an entry price?

Is it a spread bet(rolling or quarterly) or shares bought?

Target?

Stop Loss?

Flake!!!!!!

Carson, I cant see what you are saying as I have you filtered. No doubht as usual its directed at me.

Are you going out with the BOYS tonight?.

Who are you kidding FLAKE!

haven't been buying at all today .... confess i had expected dow to dump, but it hasn't done so

StockMarketWire.com
Royal Mail Group's H1 pretax profit plunged to £167m, from a year-ago profit of £1.58bn. Revenue was £4.5bn, broadly unchanged on the year. It proposed an interim dividend of 6.7p a share,

CEO Moya Greene was pleased with the overall performance.

"We have delivered two per cent revenue growth together with margin expansion, in line with our expectations. Our tight cost control meant that UK costs were flat on an underlying basis and we are expecting a similar performance for the full year," she said in the results statement.

"Looking further ahead, we are targeting a flat or better underlying UKPIL cost performance in 2015-16.

"The UK parcels market remains challenging. As the pre-eminent UK parcels delivery company, we are targeting a number of new, growing areas, and delivered two per cent volume growth in a competitive market.

"We had a better than expected performance in UK letters. GLS, our European parcels business, demonstrated a strong performance with better than expected volumes in domestic and export parcels.

"Our performance remains in line with our expectations for the full year. But, as always, this depends on us delivering another great Christmas, for which we are fully prepared."

Revenue and volume highlights:

· We delivered revenue growth of two per cent, in line with our expectations.

· UKPIL revenue was flat at £3,703 million. Letter revenue of £2,242 million was up one per cent, primarily due to election mailings. Addressed letter volumes decreased by three per cent3. This was better than our expected range of a 4-6 per cent decline per annum3, mainly due to the improvement in UK economic conditions.

· At £1,461 million, UKPIL parcel revenue was down one per cent. This was primarily due to the impact of a change in the mix of the parcels we carry and the highly competitive environment in the UK parcels market. We estimate Amazon's own delivery network will reduce the annual rate of growth in the UK addressable market4 to 1-2 per cent5 for approximately two years. UKPIL parcel volume grew by two per cent.

· GLS delivered a good performance, ahead of our expectations. Revenue was up seven per cent, in line with volumes.

Profits and margins highlights:

· Reported Group operating profit before transformation costs was £279 million (H1 2013-14 £353 million). This represents an increase of £13 million on an underlying basis.

· Tight cost control meant that UKPIL operating costs before transformation costs, which included the pay increase for frontline employees, were flat.

· Group operating profit margin before transformation costs increased by 20 basis points to 6.2 per cent.

· Group operating profit margin after transformation costs increased by 70 basis points to 5.1 per cent.

Cash flow and balance sheet highlights:

· In-year trading cash inflow was £69 million (H1 2013-14 £118 million), including the cost of the management reorganisation programme of £39 million.

· In July 2014, we issued a €500 million ten-year Eurobond with a coupon of 2.375%. £350 million of the proceeds were used to pay down short-term debt.

· Net debt increased to £570 million from £555 million at 30 March 2014.

· In October 2014, we announced that contracts have been exchanged for the sale of our former Paddington Mail Centre site for £111 million in cash.