Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

So, your position is, the will of the people (referendum) will be ignored whatever the vote.

Is that Dave's ace in the hole? If so, it's a gift to UKIP, and all the parties can kiss goodbye to any support them may have.

It won't be the will of the people ignored. We would out of the EU. The trade deal options would be up to parliament to choose. You surely can't imagine that the negotiating team will decide. They have no authority apart to see what deals they can make. I am sure they will have a selection of deals similar to the existing deals now or even better. They may recommend one specific deal, but Parliament will decide. You are right in that some of the public won't like it. However, the iN and OUT are pretty evenly split and some of the Brexiters don't mind freedom of movement. For instance I want out and it has nothing to do with immigration. That is also the view of the Brexit Labour MPs.

Post Brexit is going to be a very confusing time. There will be plenty of people waning a similar deal to what we have now even a the cost of freedom of movement. Leaving the EU is not necessarily going to be the answer to immigration. It doesn't matter what UKIP say as the referendum has been done.

Even if the trade deal allows more control over immigration, it is not set in stone. A future Labour government is free to give away the immigration controls in exchange for a better trade deal and they probably would bearing in mind that they like freedom of movement.

Immigration is but one part of the story.

I want out of the trading agreement that sees the €U negotiate world wide trading agreements on our behalf...it's a disaster.

Also, what about fishing grounds, it would be good to have control over this as well.

btw, there will be no future labour gov (as it stands) nor tory either the way it is going.

It will be one of them. UKIP certainly could not get much more than half a dozen MPs even with 30% of the votes due to our voting system.

So much for Parliament deciding on trade deals...

A set of notes that were allegedly made during the EU Foreign Affairs/Trade-Council on 13 May in Brussels, appears to show the UK aggressively pushing for a controversial trade between the EU and Canada to be implemented before the UK parliament would have a chance to vote on the issue.

The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) is a free trade deal between Canada and the EU that shares most of the same characteristics as TTIP – the equivalent deal between the EU and the USA. Campaigners argue that the deal, which has already been agreed on but yet to be ratified, would amount to an enormous corporate power grab, undermine laws to protect labour rights, consumer standards and the environment, as well as leave countries in the EU vulnerable to law suits from companies that are registered in Canada.

Current negotiations are building up to a ministerial meeting in late June that will determine the implementation process of CETA. The ‘minutes’ show that while most countries in the EU are proposing for CETA to require national parliamentary approval before it passes into law, the UK along with 6 other Member States, “called for the earliest possible entry into force or application of the Agreement (Finland, Spain, Estonia, Sweden, the UK, Portugal, Lithuania and Cyprys).”

Nick Dearden, the director of Global Justice Now which has been campaigning against CETA and other similar free-trade deals said:

“Toxic trade deals like CETA are inherently undemocratic. But Cameron seems perfectly happy to go beyond what the EU requires – he seems to be interested in handing over sovereignty for the sake of it. Again, Britain plays the role of making the EU less, rather than more, democratic.

TTIP has not been agreed at all. The negotiations have been suspended. Hilary Clinton is opposed to it as are many EU countries. It has to be ratified by the EU countries and there is the power of veto. They are no where finishing the details. It is virtually impossible for it to happen.

Read before rushing to print. The notes are about CETA, not TTIP.

You mentioned TTIP.

CETA looks pretty good. It removes 98% of all tariffs and guarantees both sides access to each others' markets. All seems very sensible.

Nigel Farage gave a good account of himself, even when he kept getting
interupted by the questioner, and NF not been able to answer the question.

When it was the snake oil salesman 'Daves' turn, he'd lied in the first 5 minutes
of taking the stage when he said that those from the EU who had'nt found a job
after 6 months they would be sent home....

They're not allowed to send them home, they're allowed free movement under
EU law..

LIAR LIAR..Camerons pants are on fire.......

The send back for EU citizens after six months and no job is one of the things that Cameron got from his negotiations. You are right, at the moment we can't do that. If we stay in the EU then we will be able to.

"It removes 98% of all tariffs and guarantees both sides access to each
other's markets,"

Yes now if Canada can get this wonderful deal without having to have free
movement and paying BILLIONS for the privilege then there's absolutely
no reason the UK can't!!!...

NO..I've stated on a number of occasions..These so called 'reforms' have to
be ratified by the COMMISSIONERS...and the JUDGES...

They could throw them out, and knowing the record of the EU commissioner's
that's what WILL happen..

Especially if the UK remain in the EU..

Canada doesn't have to have free trade as they are too far away. Also Canada doesn't have the range of products that we have and almost no services financial or otherwise. Canada is a backwater. There was a time not long ago when virtually all exploration and mining stocks were on the Toronto Exchange. Most have left now and are on our Stock Exchange.

What has Canada got to do with the so called deal Dave came back with?

As Granny said, the €uro deal is subject to amendment, and the €uro parliament have already said they will ditch it.

No. The EU Parliament hasn't said they will ditch it. A couple of individuals have said that.

I think it's more than a few.

And what about the €urocourts? It's not a treaty, it is amendable.

2783. "There was a time not long ago when virtually all exploration and mining stocks were on the Toronto Exchange. Most have left now and are on our Stock Exchange".

Total rubbish. List all the companies that have left the TSX for AIM or the FTSE. There must be lots to choose from, by your reckoning, so come on, list them all.

Despite the turn down in natural resources, this year's PDAC in Toronto still had over 22,000 delegates from over 100 countries. I have attended the PDAC a number of times and there is nothing to compare with it in London, or elsewhere for that matter.
The TSX has over 4000 listed companies, of which about 40% are mid cap and the remainder are small cap on the venture exchange, TSX.V. Although some companies have dual listings, large cap resource companies tend to migrate to the NYSE or FTSE.
Canadian flow through shares are still an attractive method of exploration funding; the UK has nothing comparable but we are not a resource rich country like Canada.
While some companies do list on both AIM and the venture exchange, many AIM companies should come with a financial transfer warning. "Investing in this company may result in your wealth being transferred to its directors and management".