Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

So much for Parliament deciding on trade deals...

A set of notes that were allegedly made during the EU Foreign Affairs/Trade-Council on 13 May in Brussels, appears to show the UK aggressively pushing for a controversial trade between the EU and Canada to be implemented before the UK parliament would have a chance to vote on the issue.

The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) is a free trade deal between Canada and the EU that shares most of the same characteristics as TTIP – the equivalent deal between the EU and the USA. Campaigners argue that the deal, which has already been agreed on but yet to be ratified, would amount to an enormous corporate power grab, undermine laws to protect labour rights, consumer standards and the environment, as well as leave countries in the EU vulnerable to law suits from companies that are registered in Canada.

Current negotiations are building up to a ministerial meeting in late June that will determine the implementation process of CETA. The ‘minutes’ show that while most countries in the EU are proposing for CETA to require national parliamentary approval before it passes into law, the UK along with 6 other Member States, “called for the earliest possible entry into force or application of the Agreement (Finland, Spain, Estonia, Sweden, the UK, Portugal, Lithuania and Cyprys).”

Nick Dearden, the director of Global Justice Now which has been campaigning against CETA and other similar free-trade deals said:

“Toxic trade deals like CETA are inherently undemocratic. But Cameron seems perfectly happy to go beyond what the EU requires – he seems to be interested in handing over sovereignty for the sake of it. Again, Britain plays the role of making the EU less, rather than more, democratic.

TTIP has not been agreed at all. The negotiations have been suspended. Hilary Clinton is opposed to it as are many EU countries. It has to be ratified by the EU countries and there is the power of veto. They are no where finishing the details. It is virtually impossible for it to happen.

Read before rushing to print. The notes are about CETA, not TTIP.

You mentioned TTIP.

CETA looks pretty good. It removes 98% of all tariffs and guarantees both sides access to each others' markets. All seems very sensible.

Nigel Farage gave a good account of himself, even when he kept getting
interupted by the questioner, and NF not been able to answer the question.

When it was the snake oil salesman 'Daves' turn, he'd lied in the first 5 minutes
of taking the stage when he said that those from the EU who had'nt found a job
after 6 months they would be sent home....

They're not allowed to send them home, they're allowed free movement under
EU law..

LIAR LIAR..Camerons pants are on fire.......

The send back for EU citizens after six months and no job is one of the things that Cameron got from his negotiations. You are right, at the moment we can't do that. If we stay in the EU then we will be able to.

"It removes 98% of all tariffs and guarantees both sides access to each
other's markets,"

Yes now if Canada can get this wonderful deal without having to have free
movement and paying BILLIONS for the privilege then there's absolutely
no reason the UK can't!!!...

NO..I've stated on a number of occasions..These so called 'reforms' have to
be ratified by the COMMISSIONERS...and the JUDGES...

They could throw them out, and knowing the record of the EU commissioner's
that's what WILL happen..

Especially if the UK remain in the EU..

Canada doesn't have to have free trade as they are too far away. Also Canada doesn't have the range of products that we have and almost no services financial or otherwise. Canada is a backwater. There was a time not long ago when virtually all exploration and mining stocks were on the Toronto Exchange. Most have left now and are on our Stock Exchange.

What has Canada got to do with the so called deal Dave came back with?

As Granny said, the €uro deal is subject to amendment, and the €uro parliament have already said they will ditch it.

No. The EU Parliament hasn't said they will ditch it. A couple of individuals have said that.

I think it's more than a few.

And what about the €urocourts? It's not a treaty, it is amendable.

2783. "There was a time not long ago when virtually all exploration and mining stocks were on the Toronto Exchange. Most have left now and are on our Stock Exchange".

Total rubbish. List all the companies that have left the TSX for AIM or the FTSE. There must be lots to choose from, by your reckoning, so come on, list them all.

Despite the turn down in natural resources, this year's PDAC in Toronto still had over 22,000 delegates from over 100 countries. I have attended the PDAC a number of times and there is nothing to compare with it in London, or elsewhere for that matter.
The TSX has over 4000 listed companies, of which about 40% are mid cap and the remainder are small cap on the venture exchange, TSX.V. Although some companies have dual listings, large cap resource companies tend to migrate to the NYSE or FTSE.
Canadian flow through shares are still an attractive method of exploration funding; the UK has nothing comparable but we are not a resource rich country like Canada.
While some companies do list on both AIM and the venture exchange, many AIM companies should come with a financial transfer warning. "Investing in this company may result in your wealth being transferred to its directors and management".

The real figures:


http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55449.html

Painful reading and still Labour lost. Blair and Brown have a lot to answer for.

The USD is dropping against the £ and Loonie. Must be gigantic currency outflows caused by Clinton having a majority of delegates. Or maybe Trump. Or maybe currency traders doing what they always do. Or maybe sweet Fanny Adams.
Nah must be Brexit.

Here we go into the last two weeks, with both sides neck and neck.
Brexit got a bit of a bounce in the last week or so, but FT poll of polls still show Remain a nose ahead. Interestly the Remain vote share has only slipped marginally, Brexit seems to have pulled in undecided.
We're coming back to economic issues now. Expect both sides to go for Max Fear.
I prefer a low vote in favour, say a 53% vote in. I can't see Brexit swinging it their way.
How will Brexit voters take the loss? I suspect much harder than if Remain voters were to lose.
Tory Brexiters will be apoplectic with rage, complaining they were cheated and seeking to reck havoc in the next General Election.
Were Remain to lose? well, it's un likely to happen but ...we can bask in the glory days ahead that Boris has promised us. We win either way. Or at least we will not feel the pain so much if we lose.
I would prefer to see the angry old Brexiters suck on their anti depression tablets.
We remain in for economics.

The FT, they only ask those who dosn't have much contact with immigrants,
In the real world its a different matter...