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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack - 07 Jun 2016 23:40 - 2785 of 12628

No. The EU Parliament hasn't said they will ditch it. A couple of individuals have said that.

MaxK - 07 Jun 2016 23:47 - 2786 of 12628

I think it's more than a few.

And what about the €urocourts? It's not a treaty, it is amendable.

iturama - 08 Jun 2016 07:55 - 2787 of 12628

2783. "There was a time not long ago when virtually all exploration and mining stocks were on the Toronto Exchange. Most have left now and are on our Stock Exchange".

Total rubbish. List all the companies that have left the TSX for AIM or the FTSE. There must be lots to choose from, by your reckoning, so come on, list them all.

Despite the turn down in natural resources, this year's PDAC in Toronto still had over 22,000 delegates from over 100 countries. I have attended the PDAC a number of times and there is nothing to compare with it in London, or elsewhere for that matter.
The TSX has over 4000 listed companies, of which about 40% are mid cap and the remainder are small cap on the venture exchange, TSX.V. Although some companies have dual listings, large cap resource companies tend to migrate to the NYSE or FTSE.
Canadian flow through shares are still an attractive method of exploration funding; the UK has nothing comparable but we are not a resource rich country like Canada.
While some companies do list on both AIM and the venture exchange, many AIM companies should come with a financial transfer warning. "Investing in this company may result in your wealth being transferred to its directors and management".

MaxK - 08 Jun 2016 09:10 - 2788 of 12628

The real figures:


http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article55449.html

iturama - 08 Jun 2016 10:09 - 2789 of 12628

Painful reading and still Labour lost. Blair and Brown have a lot to answer for.

iturama - 08 Jun 2016 10:42 - 2790 of 12628

The USD is dropping against the £ and Loonie. Must be gigantic currency outflows caused by Clinton having a majority of delegates. Or maybe Trump. Or maybe currency traders doing what they always do. Or maybe sweet Fanny Adams.
Nah must be Brexit.

will10 - 08 Jun 2016 11:06 - 2791 of 12628

Here we go into the last two weeks, with both sides neck and neck.
Brexit got a bit of a bounce in the last week or so, but FT poll of polls still show Remain a nose ahead. Interestly the Remain vote share has only slipped marginally, Brexit seems to have pulled in undecided.
We're coming back to economic issues now. Expect both sides to go for Max Fear.
I prefer a low vote in favour, say a 53% vote in. I can't see Brexit swinging it their way.
How will Brexit voters take the loss? I suspect much harder than if Remain voters were to lose.
Tory Brexiters will be apoplectic with rage, complaining they were cheated and seeking to reck havoc in the next General Election.
Were Remain to lose? well, it's un likely to happen but ...we can bask in the glory days ahead that Boris has promised us. We win either way. Or at least we will not feel the pain so much if we lose.
I would prefer to see the angry old Brexiters suck on their anti depression tablets.
We remain in for economics.

grannyboy - 08 Jun 2016 11:33 - 2792 of 12628

The FT, they only ask those who dosn't have much contact with immigrants,
In the real world its a different matter...

will10 - 08 Jun 2016 11:40 - 2793 of 12628

Grannyb

The FT is a poll of polls, the clue is in the title.

Their information is taken from polls ran by others in the real world.

2517GEORGE - 08 Jun 2016 11:48 - 2794 of 12628

From will10's post--------How will Brexit voters take the loss?---The Remainers have not lost yet and from the antics of John Major and Michael Heseltine along with the threats from Obama, IMF, BOE, Druncker, Merkel, Dimon, Japannese PM, DC, GO and those wonderful luvvies, it appears that THEY won't be too pleased themselves should they lose.
2517

will10 - 08 Jun 2016 12:10 - 2795 of 12628

George

You got me there, yes, anti depression tablets all round then for those, outside UK non voters, if we lose.

Still, should Remain carry the vote, the feeling of hard done by, victimisation, and sheer shit-uponness that the Tory Brexiters will have to vent in public will be epic. And they will make a point of going on and on and on about it.

If Remain lose we, the actual voters in the UK, will just get on with life.

grannyboy - 08 Jun 2016 12:13 - 2796 of 12628

'EVERY' person I've met, when discussing the referendum ARE voting out,
and I'l swear on any book or whatever to that fact.

The only time i've seen anyone who intends to vote remain are in the local
paper 'letter page', and a couple of them were prospective local Libdem/Labour
councillor's.

ExecLine - 08 Jun 2016 12:19 - 2797 of 12628

One of the ladies my wife meets whilst walking the dog of a morning, says she and her husband are going to vote 'Remain'. Mind you, they do own a second home in France.

But that's about it, really.

(Northampton).

Our local MP is Andrea Leadsom and she's for 'Out' too. She is in the cabinet and works in the Treasury Department. Some say, she is 'PM material'.

will10 - 08 Jun 2016 14:15 - 2798 of 12628

Grannyb/Execline

Hear what you say.

Bristol and surrounding area has only Rees-Mogg and Liam Fox as Brexit MPs.
Other Labour/Tories are for Remain.
Out of 8 mps for Greater Bristol area . 6 are Remain and 2 Brexit. It would be reasonable to assume each mp has taken a view on what way their local voters will swing.

We'll have a surplus of In votes to get us over the line.

So we'll send the rest your way to balance the overwhelming Brexit voters you meet.

MaxK - 08 Jun 2016 14:33 - 2799 of 12628

Looks like Bristol is backing a dead pony....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/07/france-shuns-europe-as-brexit-revolt-spreads/

grannyboy - 08 Jun 2016 14:42 - 2800 of 12628

The MP for Plymouth Johnny Mercer ran an online ballot on the referendum,
and nearly 70% voted for LEAVE, but on the Sunday Politics program the MP
said he was going to go with remain...So much for representing his constituents.

MaxK - 08 Jun 2016 15:05 - 2801 of 12628

There's a few of them now saying they will defy the popular vote should it go Leave.


Good luck to them when they try to get re-elected.

Claret Dragon - 08 Jun 2016 15:12 - 2802 of 12628

So much for Democracy.

grannyboy - 08 Jun 2016 16:10 - 2803 of 12628

If you can believe him? cameron said in PMQ's that if the vote was to
LEAVE then that's what would happen and there wouldn't be any stitch up.

grannyboy - 08 Jun 2016 17:08 - 2804 of 12628

Ho dear..They've now given those who were leaving it till the last
minute to register two extra days.

It was stated the other day that there was still over 7 million eligible voters
not signed up.

It looks blatantly like a planned site crash to facilitate this extra two days
extension, simply because the LEAVE are starting to lead the polls.

The news was reporting on the crash last night and it showed you a counter
and through the day it was in the several thousands sign-ups and then around
10 o'clock it had dropped to the low hundreds, so the sign ups was tailing off.
And yet they find it necessary to extend by two days!!!!....
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