Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack 20 Jul 2013 20:43 - 27500 of 27859

You clearly misunderstand what she meant.
It is a frequently misquoted comment. It only has any meaning in context.

The country has benefitted immensely from her period of government.





Bollox ..... ask anyone from the S Wales valleys but don't they count ?????

Errr ..... why do I get the feeling just looking at their pics that those most wanted tax dodgers aint Welsh ???

They were let down by Scargill.

Compared to April, twice as many Britons now believe the economy is starting to recover – and the number who say the economy is getting worse is down by around 15 points since November 2012

The economy has been the battleground issue of the week, with good economic news of rises in factory output, car sales and house prices being rebutted by the Labour Party, whose living standards campaign claimed that by 2015 the average worker will have lost £6,600 under the coalition government. New research by YouGov finds that the number of Britons who say the economy is recovering has doubled since April.

30% of British adults now say that ‘the economy is in a bad way, but is starting to show signs of recovery,’ compared to 13% who felt the same in April. The figure is at its highest level since November 2012 (21%), when the question was first asked. Additionally, the number who say ‘the economy is still getting worse’ is at its lowest point of 25%; down 13 points since last November.

I suggest that those like you who admire the success of the the UK economy should step back and have a look at the figures.

Also, have a look at the the "gurus" and bought opinions who are voicing success.

The problem for the PR party is that they may find at the next election the PR men are outnumbered by those who are more aware of the consequences of their deluded economic policies and see the fallacious claims of the short term recovery and the even worse effects "boom and burst" tory economic theory.

Of course the "tories" are praising the housing price increases as measurement of economic success, but will have sold out and moved Austria or the Cayman isles before the next crash.


"loads of cash" mentality.

I see France has been down rated with all that infrastructure spend you mentioned days ago Fred. May just stay out of recession. I take it you avoided the press today with Labour having been warned they are heading to defeat with the present leader.
You make no mention of this, very odd. :-))

This was May

French economy returns to recession

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22536197

France has entered its second recession in four years after the economy shrank by 0.2% in the first quarter of the year, official figures show.

Its economy shrank by the same amount in the last quarter of 2012.

President Francois Hollande has said he expects zero growth in 2013, lower than a 0.1% growth forecast by the French government.

Separate figures showed that the recession across the 17-nation eurozone has continued into a sixth quarter.

A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

The economy of the 17-nation bloc shrank by 0.2% in the January to March period, according to the EU's statistics office Eurostat, with nine of its members now in recession.

Looks like we are doing pretty well compared to a Socialist country!

Agree Haystack. Fred is very much like the labour party always fault finding and with no real answers themselves. How can the public at the moment contemplate voting labour, when they have no answers on fixing the economy. We would of now spent a fortune on infrastructure like France, and now showing not a lot of benefit to their country.

I think I have enough time to wait and see.


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Wages in the UK have seen one of the largest falls in the European Union during the economic downturn, according to official figures.

Figures from the House of Commons library show average hourly wages have fallen 5.5% since mid-2010, adjusted for inflation, which is the fourth-worst decline in the 27-nation bloc.

By contrast, German hourly wages rose by 2.7% over the same period.

Across the European Union as a whole, average wages fell 0.7%."


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But this is what some tories reactionaries think is what the peasants need.

Perhaps now Germany needs to get real as to say. There manufacturing/ output is going to be uncompetitive with the rest of Europe. You could compare them to the US of not tightening their belts as Europe started to and now they are in big bother with many states near bust. Germany is going to hit a brick wall in my view.

BBC political correspondent Ben Wright said: "With an economy that now seems to be gathering momentum, one of the key arguments that Labour have been making for the last two years - the government got this wrong, their economic prescription failed - is no longer as powerful a message at it was six months or a year ago."

"Which is why we are hearing a lot today about living standards."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23655605

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23654329

What I don't understand is why they stay on the site or why just use another name . If its bad can't you block them , does the site have to be public , if yes change to a friends only one

Figures from the House of Commons library show average hourly wages have fallen 5.5% since mid-2010, adjusted for inflation, which is the fourth-worst decline in the 27-nation bloc.

By contrast, German hourly wages rose by 2.7% over the same period.

Across the European Union as a whole, average wages fell 0.7%.

Inflation is a stealth tax - it's a great tool for devaluing all kinds of debt (particularly sovereign debt - of which Gordon Clown left us with shedloads).

But this is what some tories reactionaries think is what the peasants need.

No! But it's what the country needs. If Europe's inflation adjusted wages are rising faster it's because they're behind the curve.

A year old but well worth reading -

German economic strength: The secrets of success
As unlikely as it seems, perhaps one day Germany will once again look to others for inspiration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18868704

average hourly wages are one thing, but what about income and so-called social taxes? .... for sure, those in france are astronomical, though in greece it is well know that they pay none ..... how then would these wondrous tables look?

Talk about not knowing when to stop digging - Chris Bryant on R4 now.

he was a total joke .... what a complete idiot

Disgraced former MP Chris Huhne has been hired as the manager of an energy firm just months after being released from prison.


The Government's ex-energy and climate change cabinet secretary has been working as the European manager of Zilkha Biomass Energy since July, according to the company's website.

He was jailed in March for eight months along with his ex-wife Vicki Pryce for swapping speeding penalty points so he could avoid a driving ban, but the pair were released in May.

The sustainable energy company says on its website that Mr Huhne is tasked with "the remit of growing the business in the European Union".
their should be an inquire into this job
the man is a crook he was over energy
who says crime does not pay it was a lie

I think somebody means this:-