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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Hotei - 14 Jun 2010 12:55 - 2786 of 6906

well, that's his world cup over, then !

cynic - 14 Jun 2010 13:16 - 2787 of 6906

gaza's more likely to pissed out of his mind, and now in tears

Haystack - 14 Jun 2010 21:09 - 2788 of 6906

Iranian national radio reported today that Tehran sent two ships to aid the besieged Gaza Strip, confirming that one of the ships left the port on Sunday, while the other will leave by next Friday, loaded with food, construction materials, and toys.

MightyMicro - 15 Jun 2010 01:16 - 2789 of 6906

That'll go down well. Two ships, flagged by a nation whose leader thinks Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth, are going to run the blockade with a cargo of "toys". Doubtless manned by peace-loving revolutionary guards and Hizbollah operatives.

cynic - 15 Jun 2010 08:14 - 2790 of 6906

israel has certainly made a rod for its own back by the inept handling of the first incident ..... for sure the iranian vessels will be intercepted, and it'll be interesting to see if they "resist arrest" and if so, how ..... of course it's as provocative a move as could be contrived, and assuredly nothing whatsoever to do with relieving the plight of the general populace in gaza - for whom i have huge sympathy

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 11:59 - 2791 of 6906

Cynic,

Agreed.

But, the "handling" or "dealings" with Iran have been from the time of implanting of the "Shah" by the British and America prior to 1979 was cynical and inept.

If acceptance of the political change had been accepted, rather than obstructed and undermined, then probably a more moderate Iran would have evolved.

http://www.mideastweb.org/iranhistory.htm

Excerpt from ran: Iran Brief History


"By 1953, General Eisenhower had become president of the US. Anti-communist hysteria was reaching its peak. An Iranian general offered to help in overthrow Mosaddeq, and the British were able to persuade the American CIA to go ahead with the coup in August. With very scant resources and a shoe-string operational plan, the CIA set out to remove Mosaddeq. The plan almost failed, and the Shah, never very resolute, had fled to Baghdad and had to be enticed to continue playing his part from there. The army was loyal to the Shah and Mosaddeq was overthrown and arrested. This coup earned the USA and Britain the lasting hatred of large sectors of Iranian public opinion, uniting communists, nationalists and Shi'ite clericalists behind enmity to foreign meddling. Mosaddeq became a folk hero of Iranian nationalism.

In the context of regional turmoil and the Cold War, the Shah established himself as an indispensable ally of the West. In the Middle East, Iran stood out as one of the few friends of Israel, a friendship that allegedly extended to Israeli help in running the SAVAK, the hated Iranian secret service. Domestically, he advocated reform policies, culminating in the 1963 program known as the White Revolution, which included land reform, the extension of voting rights to women, and the elimination of illiteracy.
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With the recent orchestrated sanctioning against Iran by the Americans and stupidities of Israel, one could have expected some challenges from Iran.

I hope that it does not escalate into a full scale confrontation.

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Looking at this present period, one can see many economic, political and religious (positioning) similarities with the 1930s. The "frictions" , which "allowed" the extremists and fanatics to gain power and led to WW2.

It seems a very dangerous period.

Hope I am wrong.

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cynic - 15 Jun 2010 12:06 - 2792 of 6906

fred - please take immodium and lots of it

In The Land of the B - 15 Jun 2010 12:09 - 2793 of 6906

He loves being stuffed up you know where

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 12:09 - 2794 of 6906

Cynic.

Don't need it as much as you do.

I am not incontinent like you seem to be.

cynic - 15 Jun 2010 12:25 - 2795 of 6906

i take the piss and i travel from continent to continent, but unlike you (and a few others), i don't have verbal diarrhea

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 12:48 - 2796 of 6906

Cynic.

A little more insight and self evaluation may be helpful in your case.


Probably, that would require a little more ability than you show.


Have nice day.




cynic - 15 Jun 2010 12:50 - 2797 of 6906

thus spake the genius who has no idea who i am

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 15:01 - 2798 of 6906

I am happy not knowing who you are.

But your auto-biography seems fairly apt :-

"an opinionated pain who neverthless refuses to take himself too seriously and rarely gets upset by acid retort from those whose feathers he has ruffled. "

cynic - 15 Jun 2010 15:09 - 2799 of 6906

of course it's accurate - i wrote it you dummy!
how would you describe yourself?
thoughtful? balanced? impartial? measured? ..... or none of those?

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 15:22 - 2800 of 6906


Probably, having a normal distributions of human frailties and fortunately aware of some of them.

ahoj - 15 Jun 2010 15:31 - 2801 of 6906

Jimmy Carter oferred champeine to Shah when he visited Iran. Shah made a big mistake and ended his kingdom by drinlking the champaine in fromt of TV.

Was it a plan? many beleive yes it was planned to remove Shah!!!!

Fred1new - 15 Jun 2010 18:07 - 2802 of 6906

I haven't got a chance then, I often drink in front of the TV.

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In The Land of the B - 15 Jun 2010 21:49 - 2803 of 6906

Beware fred, alcohol and Thorazine are a lethal combo

In The Land of the B - 15 Jun 2010 21:53 - 2804 of 6906

I'm sorry to see haymaker coming out with his appalling statement saying he wants to donate money to buying rockets to kill Israelis with.
I had thought maybe he wasn't the rabid anti-semite I'd first supposed, but my first impression was correct. He would have made an excellent concentration camp killer/torturer, proclaiming some of his best friends were Jews as he herded them into the gas chambers and ovens.

cynic - 15 Jun 2010 22:15 - 2805 of 6906

have you been to a concentration camp?
and don't necessarily take what people write at face value .... the written word can be easily misunderstood
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