Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

FT says .... Chris Bryant’s botched speech is a reminder that Labour does not simply have an immigration problem; it has a capitalism problem as well

i didn't think the speech was that good .... mind-boggling that a senior (shadow) minister could make or even be allowed to make such a totally crass and imbecilic speech

reckon he'll be looking for another job in the very near future!

stan . I was making a point about beliefs
religion is a fairy tale load of rubbish written by clever humans
to keep the scum down giving them hope of life after they die

you have to be stupid to believe in something that no human as ever seen .
another flying pig just past my house it was pink with a jockey on its back

judaism doesn't, and hinduism believes in reincarnation in one form or another, which is not the same as "life after death" either, and the confucians are not much interested in the hereafter either, and i am sure there are others too, so go back to school young man!

What is the government's policy on immigration?

Complete confusion!

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I do like the complaining and of course the posturing by Cameron and cronies over the Gibraltar spat.

Send them another gun boat, that will sort Johnnie foreigner out.

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A pity they don't address the problems of passing through the ports from France into Britain.

At Dover, delays, holdups and go slows by the new reformed UK Border Agencies are laughable. Many delays and obstruction causing delays of up to 2-3 hours.

The French are amused at fortress Britain.



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Bit vicious but I suppose for some a work force is just another commodity!

I suppose we may be lucky, the third from left looks a bit like Wavy Dave.

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New ICM Poll – Labour Lead by Just 3% as Economic Confidence Grows

There is a new ICM poll in the n showing the Conservatives just 3% behind Labour with UKIP recovering some of the losses shown in last month’s ICM poll:

Conservative 32% (down 4%)
Labour 35% (down 1%)
Lib Dem 14% (up 1%)
UKIP 10% (up 3%)

As the Guardian report says:

“A growing proportion of the public believe David Cameron and George Osborne are more capable of managing the economy than their Labour rivals, according to the latest ICM poll for the Guardian.

The proportion of people prepared to back the Tory team for economic competence has soared to 40% from 28% in June. The findings will make grim post-holiday reading for the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, who along with shadow chancellor Ed Balls has seen a much smaller rise in credibility, with 24% of the public preferring them compared with 19% two months ago.”

This is a very good poll for the Conservatives although not quite as good as last month’s level pegging. That now looks like an outlier but this ICM poll is consistent with other pollsters in the last month or so in showing a significant narrowing of the gap between the Conservatives and Labour.

ICM is considered the “gold standard” amongst pollsters and I have therefore always given a lot more weight to their findings alongside YouGov.

Gold Standard.

More like fool's gold!

Or perhaps a Fools' Goal.

Today's Independent

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voters-increased-faith-in-tories-over-economy-will-be-blow-to-labour-8758452.html

http://m.politics.co.uk/news/2013/08/13/labour-s-ukip-rival-emerging-as-miliband-suffers-in-polls

Patience boy.

The tory funeral isn't due May 7th 2015.

Let this government die with any dignity it can muster.

By then more of the cancerous effects of their policies will be more evident to the public.

I hope Cameron doesn't arrange a state funeral for himself at an increasing expense to the public.

(Perhaps, he can ask Murdoch for advice.)

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But it is interesting for me, at least, to see Libs slowly recovering due to them separating more and more away from Cameron and Porky Osborne's economic policy.

(Even, Vince is warning them of future problems. Distance getting bigger.)

But with UKIP and Libs dipping into the tory vote, my guess is the next government being formed by Labour, or Labour/Lib coalition.

Place your bets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/13/orborne-cameron-boost-icm-poll_n_3747319.html?

Labour FINALLY admits it let in too many immigrants: Speech-bungling Bryant confesses ditching controls on workers caused influx

Labour made a humiliating climbdown over immigration last night after its spokesman finally admitted opening the floodgates to Eastern European migrants was a mistake.

Chris Bryant said it was wrong to ditch controls on Polish and other workers in 2004 – and claimed far more came to Britain ‘than anybody had anticipated’.

The admission came in a speech dismissed as a ‘car crash’ before it was even made as Mr Bryant launched a U-turn on planned attacks on Next and Tesco over their use of foreign workers.

Critics pointed out the stark contrast with comments he made a year before the 2004 influx, when he called dire warnings about unrestricted migration ‘huff and puff’.

In a further blunder, he accused British workers of being ‘physically less mobile’ than other EU nationals in their search for jobs.

It adds up to a disaster for Labour on an issue likely to be critical at the next election, in a summer in which it is widely seen as having lost ground to the Government. Tory MPs condemned Mr Bryant’s ‘short-sighted intervention’, calling him ‘badly confused’.

Tory MP James Clappison, a member of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: ‘This is breathtaking hypocrisy, because of Labour’s multiple failures in failing to impose transitional controls and the huge increase in the number of work permits made available to workers from outside the EU.

‘Labour hasn’t got a leg to stand on.’

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/sorry-chris-bryant--but-who-was-it-who-wanted-these-polish-workers-in-the-first-place-8757676.html

Just had a German friend staying who is developing an old Mill near Frankfurt, into flats and studios. He is bringing Polish workers over to do the building.
He reckons they work hard, use their own initiative, crack any problems and will tolerate difficult conditions until they can improve them for themselves.
Nothing to do with cost apparently.

is it not slightly strange that there is a deafening silence from the labour party on the above .... surely gromit or the witch or some other from left/middle or other should be standing up and supporting bryant or condemning him - or indeed anything!

acer tell him to talk to the irish builders they had polish workers the work was terrible
and the homes are now being knocked down as unsafe to live in .
don't take my word check it out homes not fit to live in poor workmanship .

acer . german workers are excellent at all they do I find your statement worthless .
they would not want second class work done I WOULD NOT