Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

In the meantime, hypocrisy rools...



Dr Sarah Wollaston defects from Vote Leave to remain campaign


Former GP who was chosen as Tory candidate in UK’s first open primary says her decision pivoted on likely damage to the NHS


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/dr-sarah-wollaston-defects-vote-leave-remain-campaign
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Ambulances stacked 16 deep...


Portsmouth ambulances late to two life-threatening incidents, says report


Inspectors give Queen Alexandra hospital ‘inadequate’ rating after saying patients were left at ‘unacceptable risk’



http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/09/portsmouth-ambulances-late-to-two-life-threatening-incidents-says-report

unfair max ..... to hold views to remain is no more misguided or worse than it is to want out ..... what is appalling in my eyes is that anyone who has their pension paid out brussels is forbidden to speak out against eu without forfeiting their pension


an interesting discussion between 10 of us at the golf club yesterday - admittedly nearly all old farts - was that 6 or 7 would vote out
there was also a very valid point that a narrow "out" majority would do more to wake up the eurocrats than a narrow "in"
in the latter case, there would be no pressure to do anything at all


i just hope that there is a large turnout, certainly in excess of 70% ..... apathy has no place in this important issue

What annoyed me c , is the Wollaston burd hooting on about the hospital failures, yet ignoring the impossible position it's in, more and more people, less money.

Somethings got to give.

Maxk

Different things.

Wollaston is pissed with Brexit untruths about NHS funding post EU exit. She now has a view that we are actually better off remaining In. She has a right to vote as she wishes.

Portsmouth hospital had poor systems for dealing with patients coming to ER.

Time for Boris to repaint the bus. Expect the Brexit defection to be on the news all day.
The Brexiters will try to discredit Wollaston rather than correct the lies.

What would you know about Portsmouth hospital will?

Maxk

On the news this morning.

I actually listened to the bloke that wrote the inspection report on Portsmouth Hospital ER.
The hospital chief replied, acknowledged the problem and apologised for it.
No mention that it was an In / Out. EU consideration.

That's all I know. Just what the experts said.

Please share if you know something else

I'm sure this is just gossip about Gideon (Giddy to his pals) and our Dave but stranger things have supposed to have happened. Pity the pig.

Natalie Rowe is the woman who outed Chancellor George Osborne as a masochistic cokehead. Yes, according to Ms Rowe the finances of the United Kingdom are in the hands of a man who likes to crawl around the floor having his arse slapped while under the influence of cocaine.
Ms Rowe candidly told Sonia Poulton of events at parties that were attended by the so-called elite including the now Prime Minister David Cameron. It seems that the illegal use of drugs is OK for the toffs but working class must serve time for possession, using and dealing.
It is said that Cameron’s wife, when in University, was known as Snowy; I wonder why?

what a load of garbage ..... let's trot out the ancient max mosley story but change the names

will10, you're so gullable...."That's all I know. Just what the experts said"


You come across as a 29 year old teenager who's just dropped out of uni...

Most of the older voters have been through the 'UNIVERSITY OF LIFE' and can see where the EU is heading.....

Why not? No more garbage than the stuff Gideon has been spouting. I haven't heard anyone being sued for the cocaine allegations which were in the newspapers. The beast of Bolsover was ejected from the Commons for repeating the allegations. Musn't disturb parliamentary decorum.

As for the size of the out win, I hope it is a landslide. But like Dave's immigration manifesto, that is an ambition, not a realistic target.

Grannyb

29yr old teenager you say.
No.... nearly twice that age. As far as EU concerned.. I'm voting In for economic reasons but have many political EU concerns. But it's always about economics in the end.

I responded to Maxk. I actually listened to those that were the experts on the Portsmouth ER failings. what's gullible about that.?? Do you know more than the experts?
Give us the benefit of that "university of life "experience you have on this subject please.

It had nothing to do with Wollaston or EU.

will10 is voting in for economic reasons----

Edited from money morning:-

The EU’s share of global GDP keeps on falling

When Britain joined the Common Market in 1973, the EU (as it is now) produced 38% of the world’s goods and services – 38% of global GDP.

In 1993, when the EU formally began, it produced just under 25%. Today the EU produces just 17%.

That’s a 55% drop.

2517

much of that decline can assuredly be attributed to the growth of the chinese and indian economies

George

The world economy has moved on a pace since 1993. The older industrial economies' share of the global economy has declined.

We sell almost as much to the EU as we do to the rest of the world. Makes no economic sense to leave the single market.

This Sarah Woolaston should have taken the 'remainer's' oft said pro-
EU spin when they say " The only way to get reform or to have a say
is to be at the table"

SO why didn't she stay at the Brexit table and try to get the claims being
made by the Leavers changed?

Maybe she was just a plant in the first place, waiting for an opportunity like
this to appear!!..

"We sell almost as much to the EU as we do to the rest of the world."

Well considering the amount of money it cost to be part of the 'CLUB'
the UK should be exporting a lot more into the EU then we are at the moment,
AND seeing as the USA exports more into the EU then the UK does, then
there is something wrong in my reckoning.

But besides that the UK is in surplus to the rest of the world, where as it's
in deficit with the EU..

will, this might enlighten you re trade.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/09/uks-trade-deficit-with-eu-hits-record-high-just-before-brexit-vo/


I'll get back to you re Portsmouth hospital.

Maxk

Read it.

A balance of trade deficit is not an economic benefit to us.

For years high inward investment has helped our economy balance the effects of trade deficits. Access to the single market is critical to this inflow.

Inflow of investment funds help to rebuild failing industries. Overseas funding has rebuilt our car industry and we now build more cars than ever.
Japanese companies may own much of the UK car industry and take their profits home, but we benefit from the jobs and collect taxes to pay for hospitals, schools etc.

We should be aiming to make as much from exports as we pay for imports to ensure a sustainable economy.
Ensuring that we are still attractive for inward investments is also a big benefit for our economy.

Leaving the single market puts us at a disadvantage.

Grannyb

You said it. "we should be exporting more into the EU".

100% agree with you.

That's why we need to stay in the single market.

What a load of tosh....

We were ALL warned that if we didn't join the ERM the world would come
to an end.

We were warned that if we didn't join the eurozone the world would come
to an end.

THEY said businesses would move abroad, Financial firms would relocate
to Frankfurt.

They said NO ONE would invest in the UK EVER again.....

THEY said weeds would stop growing between the pavement cracks!.

THEY SAID IT THEN THEY'RE SAYING IT NOW!!!!!!!....

THEY WERE WRONG THEN....THEY'RE WRONG NOW!!!!!!!.......