Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

But he is a pathetic wimp, out to save his own skin.

I would prefer to see a leader who is honest and has a sense of direction for the benefit of the country as a whole rather his own skin which is dependent on some of his party.

He lacks long term judgement skills.

And you are right, I don't like Camoron and didn't like Blair. (PR stuntmen.)

Can give a longer list, but think both of these are shallow and more interested in their place in history and public acclaim than enacting well thought out policies which are beneficial for the future of the UK (and Europe) as a whole.

apart from yourself fred, who do you like?

Manuel,

A large percentage of the world, other than those who are grossly self serving with the disregard of others.

But, I learnt to walk alone quite early, and question the herd mentality.


Read "Abou Ben Adhem".

(It was read to me when I was about 8 years old.)

pah! ..... even though you may have been a child prodigy (if so, it was clearly ephemeral) no normal parent would have inflicted that poem on a child and expected the remotest understanding of it ..... in any case, its relevance is what, unless you are hell bent on becoming some latter day ghandi, which clearly you are not? .....

so nominate any political/union leader anywhere in the world who acts altruistically? ...... and don't be so ridiculous!

muslim"s all over the world seating back plotting to destroy the wests way of life
and doing fcuk all to help their fellow muslim"s in conflict . if they do not give a toss then let them kill each other .
you can NOT help Syria they will like other countries stab you in the back in the end
and in the dark

thos MPs that want action then put them on a plane with a gun or a bible and send them .
they would soon vanish out the lime light .
send others to die we will watch from safety .

Cameron you are a dimwit and a liar
and yes I am a tory

Cynic,

Perhaps your upbringing was deficient.

Open your own eyes and DYOH.

But I am not going to get into motivation of World "leaders" or the necessary levels of pragmatism to allow them to make achievements.

fred the tory tune should be SEND IN THE CLOWNS it fits perfect

in other words fred, you have no political/union leader whom you would think was a great example to mankind, or even his country .... do i see the word pragmatism suddenly making an entrance? ....... now there's a surprise

perhaps you think stalin and mao were merely pragmatists too

Russia says it was the REBELS or terrorists what ever you want to call them
that used gas .

fred I bet you served your country un like some that did not they ran away

First, Moscow maintains there is no proof that President Bashar al-Assad was behind the suspected chemical weapons attack in eastern Damascus.

If anything, argue the Russians, evidence points to the rebels carrying it out in order to scupper peace talks and to put pressure on the Syrian government.

Cynic,

Probably, unlike you, I don't create or worship false images of leaders.

All leaders have holes in their characters, eg. Martin Luther King, Mandela, Bill Clinton, Obama, etc. but at least they seem to have a certain core morality which they exposed and appeals to many, also they tried to fulfil the "ideals" they proposed.

To many, the core values of Camoron and his present henchmen seem to be wanting, other than maintain power, "influence" and their own "personal wealth and advantages".

Each unto their own Gods.

Update: Labour lead at 3

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 28th August - Con 34%, Lab 37%, LD 11%, UKIP 12%

Gees I'm bored! pretty obvious reduced to reading this shite.

Tanker.

Not in the way you probably mean.

Since being a student in the 1950s and 1960s and wandering around a small part of Europe have always thought of myself as a European and Internationalist, although remaining a Welshman on rugby international days.

I married a slave who turned out to be a Slav and had small exposure to communist regimes through her family and Hungarian and Polish friends as students.

This left "awareness" of"totalitarian" regimes and the abuses of "authority" by them and some so called "democratic" governments which distort public opinion in order to keep them in position.

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I am not sure what the action should be in Syria, but do detest the hypocrisy which is being spouted by Cameron.

There is a responsibility to interfering militarily in Syria and that includes removal of Assad and his cronies and them protection of the people from the abuse by various extreme parties.

That will be expensive in cash and lives.

where's the hypocrisy?
at least you're honest in one part .... "I am not sure what the action should be in Syria" ..... in common with myself and i suspect many others

its simple let them sort it out its not our problem protecting the uk people is
when you have the two biggest powers like china and Russia on Syria side leave well alone

fred at least you are honest and reading your posts not stupid

commons live Cameron sniggering on a issue as serious as war