Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
patshere
- 17 Jun 2010 22:05
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God forbid that Hamas should ever get its hands on one of those Nuclear devices that can be bought from Eastern Europe for about $2million. When you take a nations land and their dignity, then why not have the perfect suicide bomber go to Tel Aviv.
But then hamas cant get their hands on $2million!
In The Land of the B
- 17 Jun 2010 22:07
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It's amazing how people deliberately like to misrepresent factual statements.
"Ever heard of the Holocaust? Do you think Israeli policy isn't influenced by the genocide and a determination it will never happen again?"
When I wrote that I was obviously implying that the Holocaust still played a part in the psyche of Israel and affected its mistrust of others and its determination to defend itself and not rely on others, no matter what.
And yet that was twisted to imply that I meant the Holocaust was an "excuse" for other things.
But hey, that's what anti-semites do. It's also what any group of people do when they want to demonise another group. Twist, distort, lie etc.
My opinion about the likes of the unholy trinity remains unchanged.
They have an agenda of hatred which they try to wrap in a cloak of legitimacy and reason - just like the nazis
In The Land of the B
- 17 Jun 2010 22:22
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One other thing, Israel is totally crap at marketing and PR. That's a major problem as the public opinion arena is left almost entirely to Hamas, Hizbollah and their useful idiots in the West.
ptholden
- 17 Jun 2010 23:07
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Greg, don't you think it's time you found a life outside of this BB and stopped your incessant posting? You've bored the arse of me now and quite frankly you've proven om many occasions you're just a self-opinated wind bag with no real understanding of any issue or experience in the real world. You and Fred make a fine pair, you should get married, I'm sure you'd both live happily ever after.
BTW, your comment re Trident and NATO is, as usual, err, wrong, but I can't be bothered to explain why.
Haystack
- 17 Jun 2010 23:09
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patshere
Firstly, Hamas could easily get $2m and secondly I doubt that there any nuclear bombs to be had for $2m.
In The Land of the B
I think it is you who is twisting people's comments. This statement is really bizzare "They have an agenda of hatred which they try to wrap in a cloak of legitimacy and reason - just like the nazis". The holocaust only has any influence on the Israelis. And the Palestinians certainly don't care about that influence. They see it all as a European thing and nothing to do with them. There is no reason for them to make any allowances for Israeli feeling about the holocaust. The attitude of the Palestinians is if you don't like all the problems of living in Israel then don't live there.
Haystack
- 17 Jun 2010 23:33
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ptholden
If you don't like my posts then don't read them. It is very simple. I am not a supporter of Fred at all. I disagree with most of what Fred posts, but I am anti-Israel.
My comment regarding Trident is correct as Fred asked me if I would keep it and my answer was No. I said that we did not need it because of Nato. That is true except that we have an agreement with the US and Nato 'provide' Trident capability. If we want to get rid of Trident then there would have to be a change to that agreement. It was easier to reply to Fred that we didn't need it because of Nato, but you just want to be pedantic. Getting rid of Trident implies changing the other things that go with it. you really do get quite boring.
tyketto
- 18 Jun 2010 00:55
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patshere.
One nuclear device, anywhere in that area,
would make all the area from Egypt to Lebanon,
and beyond, uninhabitable for many years.
No winners, many losers.
The Russians know.
Might be considered beneficial by a certain Country.
They might have the means soon and could probably
organise the crazies to do it.
Mind you they would wipe out a Muslim holy shrine.
But hey,there used to be one in the middle of what is
now Ghaddafi's parade square in Tripoli.It fell over due
to an unexplained explosion one night.
cynic
- 18 Jun 2010 08:18
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peter - it's best to read virtually none of the assorted diatribes, but one or two of the briefer post merit response, and it can be entertaining just to toss the odd pebble into the pond
Fred1new
- 18 Jun 2010 08:22
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It is interesting to me that the countries which have Nuclear weapons are sane and the countries which wish to have the weapons are crazy.
I seems a little like the patients in the Asylum saying the doctors are mad.
Anybody know what is the predominant direction of the air currents in the Middle East?
patshere
- 18 Jun 2010 09:42
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tyketto
'One nuclear device, anywhere in that area,
would make all the area from Egypt to Lebanon,
and beyond, uninhabitable for many years.
No winners, many losers.'
When you have 'nothing' to lose then why not defy your devil[Israel].
In The Land of the B
- 18 Jun 2010 09:51
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"Greg, don't you think it's time you found a life outside of this BB and stopped your incessant posting? You've bored the arse of me now and quite frankly you've proven om many occasions you're just a self-opinated wind bag with no real understanding of any issue or experience in the real world. You and Fred make a fine pair, you should get married, I'm sure you'd both live happily ever after."
Well said !
patshere
- 18 Jun 2010 09:57
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I cannot understand why the Palestines allow Hamas to provide Israel with the excuse to kill and blockade. If you remove Israels so called 'reasons' to blockade gaza{Hamas missiles} then you leave Israel without any justification to continue their illegal acts.
It seem that Hamas have alternative motives other than the welfare and peaceful existence of the Palestine people.
cynic
- 18 Jun 2010 10:44
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because the general populace on both sides is manipulated by politicos often from outside .... you also naively believe that the gov't of israel and leaders of hamas and hezbollah care two hoots about the plight of the innocent gaza residents
Haystack
- 18 Jun 2010 10:59
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I think that Hamas do care. Israel started the blockade because the residents of Gaza democratically elected Hamas as their government. Israel thought that by strangling Gaza of imports it would turn the people against Hamas. The exact opposite has happened as most observers thought at the time. If an election were held now, Hamas would return with a landslide. Since the election of Hamas and the current very right wing Israel governemnt you have the worst combination of adversaries.
The two state system is not possible anymore. Israel seized Jeruselem for themselves. This is a deal breaker by itself as Jerusalem was regarded as Palestine's capital. It is on the boundary of the West Bank and Israel have effectively moved it out of the West Bank. If the West Bank is supposed to be for the Palestinians as part of the two state policiy, then why is Israel building settlements there so fast.
Clubman3509
- 18 Jun 2010 11:19
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edited moneyam
cynic
- 18 Jun 2010 11:21
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some would disagree with you ..... and don't forget that jews drink the blood of gentile children too .... and they used to piss in your milk bottles in the days when those were commonplace and left on the doorstep
Clubman3509
- 18 Jun 2010 11:25
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At school I used to give a jewish kid bacon and tell him it was good for him.
cynic
- 18 Jun 2010 11:31
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and so it was ..... interestingly, the bible (OT) permits jews to eat treff (non-kosher stuff) if it is a case of that or starvation
Haystack
- 18 Jun 2010 11:45
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18/06/2010 - 10:18 AM
The European Parliament, meeting in Strasbourg for its June session, called for an international and impartial inquiry into Israel's attack on a humanitarian flotilla, the opening of all crossing points to and from Gaza and an immediate end to the blockade on Gaza in a resolution passed on Thursday. MEPs also advocate reshaping the EU's Middle East policy, to make it more decisive.
Israel should immediately end the Gaza blockade, which has resulted in a humanitarian disaster, paralyzed the Gaza Strip's reconstruction and economy and aggravated political radicalisation, say MEPs. At the same time, they call on EU High Representative Catherine Ashton to submit an EU plan to the Quartet to help end the blockade.
The resolution was approved in a roll-call vote, with 470 votes in favour, 56 against and 56 abstentions.