Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Skinny,

Thanks.

"Believes that the United Nations Security Council must have the opportunity immediately to consider that briefing and that every effort SHOULD be made to secure a Security Council Resolution backing military action before any such action is taken. Before any direct British involvement in such action a further vote of the House of Commons will take place."



That would be giving "authority to Cameron" without asking for further appraisal, and approval of parliament.

It is a deceitful and abuse of parliament.

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I think the stated quote of "Miliband was already angry after a government source used expletives overnight to criticise Miliband. A government source told the Times on Wednesday night: "No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit."

A Labour spokesman said of the attack on Miliband. "It seems to us that it is uncalled for. It is demeaning to the debate. "


If this true then this demeans the office PM and other members of this institutional cabinet".

? True products of and Etonian and elitist culture????????

The real end point of intervening in Syria is REMOVAL OF ASSAD family and henchmen.

Fred - for what?

It's not about a humanitarian issue as far as the USA is concerned, it's what is in "the best interests of the United States". This piece published in USA Today;


"The president of the United States is elected with the duty to protect the national security interests in the United States of America," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.

Caitlin Hayden, National Security Council spokeswoman, said the United States would continue to consult with Britain but Obama would make decisions based on "the best interests of the United States."

"As we've said, President Obama's decision making will be guided by what is in the best interests of the United States," Hayden said. "He believes that there are core interests at stake for the United States. He believes that there are core interests at stake for the United States and that countries who violate international norms regarding chemical weapons need to be held accountable."

Fred

Only after another vote!

Skinny,

I know what I would wish for, but not what the outcome will be of such intervention.

It maybe the middle game which may lead to a "successful" end game.

But I would like to see the action sanctioned by a large number of nations, preferably in the Un, but if necessary organised outside its remit.

If you wait for consensus, it is always too late.

The best long term interests of the USA is probably best served by having states with recognisable humanitarian standards and probably recognisable forms of democracies.

Hays,

What.

The clown's glory.

The UN is toothless, slow and not much better than the League of Nations.

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No one knows the exact amount. It is probably about $1b or more. The US pays substantial amounts for peacekeeping and duties and resents its high amount of dues. There are more than two dozen countries who pay $1,000 or less. The US is supposed to pay around 22% of the UN costs, which seem too high these days with China and Russia becoming more wealthy. I doubt that the US will ever pay the money owed and probably ought not to either.

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why is it that it is always the west to want to help .
why is it that NO MUSLIM COUNTRY speaks out
if the muslim world does not give a shite then forget action

the USA under BARMY is a third rate country run by a third rate person

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Pubs not open yet?

mna answer the question WHY IS IT NOT ONE MUSLIM LED COUNTRY AS SPOKEN OUT these religious muslim nutters love wars it makes them strong
if muslim countries do hate the west and only speak out to kill us fact not fiction

off to the club soon its Friday bridge day

mna will not answer the question he can not