Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The complete list of how MPs voted is on the Telegraph website, Haystack.

The facts and nothing but the facts posted above. Let it be made clear, guidos list was spot on.

Obvious to anyone its the Euro sceptics who dominate the list and are after Camorons blood.

I even expect a leadership contest to start this weekend.

Hays,

It seems like Nelson's blind eye excuse for many tories.

Buy it if you like, but don't try to sell rubbish.

Cameron Hammond and Mates (Condoms) took parliament for suckers and a push over (or should that be pullovers) and believe anything the Pope would tell them.

Now party, or camp followers scurrying around to support a leader they wish they never had, with fanciful hopes of blaming labour for their stance. A stance which was supported by fellow tories with enough guts to reject the party machinery is laughable.

Listen to overseas reports.

He is a not a yesterday's man, but another "never been".

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His own party membership doesn't trust him and some think him a self serving, superficial con man.

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You are following him like a lemming over the cliff.

Yes certainly over the cliff.

Is he still in denial over who voted for what Fred.

Silly sod its their in black and white couldnt be clearer.

Let us not go totally overboard here, the foreign policy seems to be an utter shambles, but the economy is getting back on track. :-)

LOL db just a minor detail for the likes of the left wing nutters aka Fred The Red and Smelly Finger!

DB.

Maybe.

But 2 years behind what it possibly could have been.

And there may still be a brick wall.

People shouldnt ever confuse economic growth with polital standing/debate.

When labour left power growth was at 2.5%.

Camoron couldnt produce an outright win against the weakest PM this country as ever known. Now thats hes moraly wounded (self inflicted) hes at his weakest ever.

Their is rumour on Twitter this evening that John Redwood is to meet with 5 other prominent Tory back benchers including Bill Cash and Nadine Dorres Jesse Norman and Andrew Tyrie over the weekend re- to a leadership bid.

As and when it develops Ill update.

ps, Chris so sad to see you stooping down to the childish Hilary levels.

The more you read various comments coming out of the USA the more you appreciate just how important it is for the UK not to get involved in this political game. The debate about Syria has got absolutely nothing to do with humanitarian issues, it is all about the USA manipulating the UK for it's own political agenda.

"In brief remarks at the White House Barack Obama said Assad's use of chemical weapons threatened US interests and endangered its allies such as Israel and Jordan."

When Cameroon took over the leadership of the tory party, they had 300k members, it is now below 100k.

Some record!

Both figures are wrong. It was 200,000 plus and is now around 120,000.

Labour has around 180,000 but many are signed up through their union membership.

You might be right, no one seems to know.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-party-membership-collapsed-under-2142345

Not as big a fall as the Labour party that had over 400,000 when Blair became leader in 1997.

Hays,

Citing the failures of another, does not mean that your supreme leader isn't a disaster.

Many thought that Blair was a torrid mole.


Sorry tory mole.

Membership of political parties is falling in almost every country. It has nothing to do with the specific leader.

You think not?

You ought to get out more!

Cameroon is a disaster, I don't know anyone who is prepared to vote for him.

Cameron is fine. I will be voting for him. The Conservatives are only 3 or 4 points behind Labour and Cameron's approval rating is far higher than Miliband's.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/05/06/decline-in-party-membership-europe-ingrid-van-biezen/

Latest UNS Projection.......... today 30/08/2013

Uniform Swing Projection

236 363 25 8 18


Labour Majority 76

Latest polls, and what might the impact of Syria be.........


Perhaps of more interest will be the effect on perceptions of the party leaders (which, in turn, may have their own knock on effects on voting intention) – will it make people see David Cameron as a less effective leader, or Ed Miliband as a more effective one? I would be surprised if there wasn’t at least some negative impact on Cameron’s ratings, but whether that is long term or quickly forgotten is an open question…