It is now time to switch to a new Money AM football blog as the world cup is now over and we all look to the future.....World cup 2010 is over, Bravo Espana, and Forlan, once again and bring on the new season !.....I never expected the last thread to be such a success...thanks all.... so this new one might go on for years without the need to edit the title...we shall see...

He was useless.

Malky for Man U .... he's even worse :-)

Grim Reaper .... Ironic, job done at Goodison :O) Newcastle next stop for Moyes?

Zaha's gonna be gutted , he was banging his daughter apparently.

Yeah right ....

No sympathy, poisoned chalice following old red nose. His career choice. Sir Alex did EFC massive favour, if it had been up to our chairman (Betty Turpins son) Moyes would have had a job for life at Goodison.

£6 million squid for ten months of disaster, plus pay off, cheer up Davy Moyes how bad can it be for a shit football manager destroying a Championship winning team?

Hey GF .... Your cue, Gigsy is our leader, Gigsy is our leader :O) Next.

This is the reason he was sacked.

At least Man U will fare better playing away under Giggs.

lol Hilary

Insult to injury?

Man Utd: Sir Alex Ferguson to help select David Moyes's replacement

Well he did such a good job last time why not ?

:-)

Moyes sacked after just 10 months
22/04/2014 Comments (200) jump

The Grim Reaper, planted at the United game on Sunday as a stunt by Paddy Power, taunts David Moyes from the stands at Goodison Park David Moyes, the former Everton manager, who made the move to "better things" at Old Trafford last May has been unceremoniously dismissed from his post as manager of Manchester United after just 10 months in the job.
He leaves along with the retinue of backroom staff he took with him from Everton on the heels of an ignominious defeat at Goodison Park, where his replacement, Roberto Martinez, masterminded a convincing 2-0 win for the Blues.

Media outlets were clearly briefed of the 50-year-old's impending dismissal yesterday but confirmation of the move didn't come the Manchester club until this morning. Moyes leaves Old Trafford having presided over Man Utd's worst points tally in the Premier League era and the former Champions look likely to miss out on a place in Europe as well.

Moyes left Goodison Park with a hero's send-off last May but the relationship with Everton soured with his pursuit of Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini and a pair of derisory bids for the two players that were summarily rejected. The Scot's assertion that Everton should let the players go "to further their careers" did not go down well with Blues' fans and he returned to his old stomping ground on Sunday to a muted but audible jeers before the match ended with chants of "sacked in the morning" from home fans.

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Paul Tran
405 Posted 22/04/2014 at 10:25:34 Part of the problem with Moyes was that when he was here, the management fawned all over him, so it appears he was never challenged. Plus the majority of the support was up his arse, falling for the line that we couldn't get any better than him and his methods. He had no reason to doubt himself, then he turned up at a club where the management and supported demanded results, success and high standards.
After a good few years here, he had the opportunity to raise his game and ambitions, but he still talked as if we were still the club he joined, rather than club he had built up. Every time he raised expectations, he failed to deliver. He couldn't take us further forward, so he wasn't going to do it there. Quite telling that he only looked at home when they were the underdogs against Bayern.

What a lucky break we got when Ferguson took him off us! Thanks Alex!

Trevor Thompson
414 Posted 22/04/2014 at 10:49:11 I never rated Moyes when he was with us. I always thought he was way too negative (maybe being a defender was the reason) and focused too much on the opposition obsessively that it stopped our players focusing on their game.
I could never understand what the media (and my friends) saw in Moyes. Maybe because we had very little money and had the odd decent season or two. He was a bottle merchant when it came to playing the big teams, the Liverpool FA Cup semi final a few years back was when I finally lost faith in him completely.

Man United were fools to have him take over. He had never won anything with us in 11 years how the hell does that make him a good choice for one of the biggest teams in the world?

His parting shots at our players being held back by not joining him made me lose all respect for him.

Rick Tarleton
435 Posted 22/04/2014 at 11:43:04 For years, the media kept telling us how good Moyes was. It was obvious to Evertonians he was limited, a negative mindset, and a constant desire not to risk anything. Young players saw the first team then had to wait and wait, this year he did the same with Januzaj.
Now, the media tells us Moyes was always the wrong choice and he is negative and inadequate. Going to Manchester United didn't make him that way, that was his philosophy.

I'll never forgive him for the cup semi-final against Liverpool, we took the lead, and we're palpably the better team; what did Moyes do? He pulled Cahill back in to the midfield and hoped to hold on to a one goal lead for and hour. That mindset was unchangeable and it was obvious to all, yet journalists kept telling us we had a great manager.

Now suddenly they've discovered the truth. Letters and articles on ToffeWeb, including my own could have told them that eight years ago.

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I'm partly writing this to exercise a few demons as a less-than-perfect Blue, partly as a way to draw a line personally under the whole Moyes saga so that I can move on from it, and finally, hopefully to offer a little bit of insight into one reason Moyes failed, at Everton as well as Manchester United, and how we can understand that reason to move onwards and upwards as a club going forward.

Like many Blues, I've been basking in Schadenfreude since last Sunday: each day, the cathartic feeling of vindication and justice done growing stronger and stronger – feelings that have building slowly all season, growing in intensity with each Manc humiliation – until a certain peak was reached reading about Moyes's "shock and disappointment" over his sacking in the papers today. Are these the "better things" you had moved onto, Dear David?

My dissatisfaction with Moyes started – having been a supporter of the status quo up until that point – the very moment it was announced that he was to be the new Man Utd manager, and yet Everton were to allow him to remain as boss for the last games of the season. "Unbelievable," I thought; I was enraged. "Let me get this straight," I thought incredulously, "he is now the manager of an enemy club, yet we are going to allow him continued access to our club secrets, players, and facilities, so that he can most effectively begin his new chapter by tapping up our players and staff, and sowing a few seeds of damage at a now rival club? You have to be joking!" And all that while giving him a send off that almost rivalled the one given by the Mancs to the all conquering Ferguson – despite the fact that he had never won anything with us!

This emotion started a chain of self-reflection that exposed a lot of guilt, and turned into not a bit of bitterness, but would also evolve into a lot of resolve and optimism over the next few months.

Firstly, I started to see how I had been part of this culture of acceptance of mediocrity as a Blue. At 33 years old, I've pretty much grown up with Everton being shite. (Although, Ironically, I first started going the match during the cup winning run of ’95.) Although I'd read about Everton's history as a lad, and so knew full well what a big club we are, somehow the emotional turmoil of the relegation scrapes of the 90s had conditioned me to dread each new season, and to be content to reach 40 points each year so that we could live to fight another day. In my head, there was a vague idea that maybe one day investment would come, and from there we'd maybe be back to the elite, but until then we just needed to survive.

I was so passionless, so emasculated, that I even remember wishing Rooney well when we sold him to Manchester United, as I felt he deserved his chance to play with the “big boys” in the Champions League. I even used to cheer for Man Utd in that competition, partly because of national pride, partly as English club success would ensure more places for the Premier League, and partly because I had an unhealthy case of Stockholm syndrome, being happy with the Manc dominance just as long as they kept Liverpool off their perch. Also, most of the lads at the school I went to were either Everton or Liverpool, with only one Manc fan (ironically from Norway), so I never got into arguments with Mancs, only ever Kopites, whom, I couldn’t fail but notice, could be wound up quite easily by invoking the achievements of Alex Ferguson and his red machine. So I often did. (How ashamed I feel now.)

It even got to the point, dear readers, where I allowed my own son to become a Man Utd fan. Again, passive acceptance was the root cause. Living in Japan now, and with my lad half Japanese, United were the only club shown on TV, and with Kagawa a big star out here, how could he support anyone else, I thought?

That was the low point... but then left Moyes, and along came Bobby. Thanks to my rage and self-reflection, and with the refreshing optimism and philosophy of Bobby, I woke up as if from a decade-long coma. I finally saw how Everton, and me as a fan, had been taken for a ride for so long. I finally saw the depth of insult at Man Utd cast off Phil “Top 10 is a massive achievement” Neville having ever been captain of our great club. I saw that Moyes and Ferguson had been using us as a feeder club and an apprenticeship for over 10 years, like some national daily’s editor’s nephew getting fixed up at the local paper before moving on to the big time when a job became available.

I think of it now, the cast off players that came from United, and it seems Ferguson was throwing Moyes a bone or two to help out his development. And of course, there was Rooney going the other way... I wonder how hard Moyes fought to prevent that transfer? I wonder how much unspoken understanding or agreements there were between the two fellow countrymen even back then?

Of course, this collusion would become obvious when Dear David refused to sign a new contract – giggling to himself, no doubt, when he fed the media cryptic comments about “wanting to manage in Germany” – all the while confident of taking over the Old Trafford hot seat, and free to cruise through his last season at Everton thinking more about how he was going to succeed with Man Utd rather than caring about “little Everton” and their, to him, trivial desires for a lowly bit of silverware such as the FA Cup. How could these deluded fans expect to win anything on such a limited budget anyway? And here is where we get to Moyes’s big weakness.

Read about any managerial success story, and in all cases we will see that it is invariably achieved against the odds, and against the consensus opinion of the day. Can you imagine the contemporary versions of Robbie Savage or Alan Hansen predicting Nottingham Forest winning the league or European Cup at the time of failed Leeds United manager Brian Clough’s appointment back in 1975? But if you read biographies of him now you can get hints of where his success would come from. For me, it was the story of he and Peter Taylor being willing to paint the fences and drive the team coach at Hartlepool United. Or read about Fergie at St Mirren, driving around in a van fitted with a loud speaker in an attempt to exhort the locals to turn out for games.

As far as I can see, in any examples of success, whether they be in sport or business, or as far as I have learned through my own experience in life, the common denominators are that it is (a) never predicted by the consensus opinion of the ignorant masses; (b) thus taking all of the supposed “experts” by surprise; (c) engineered by free-thinking iconoclastic individuals with confidence in their own opinions, and the determination to drive through their vision in the face of jeers, cliche, and derision, from the Robbie Savages and other misinformed, dull, idiotic mouthpieces of the day; and (d) they do this by being absolutely focussed on the end goal of success and a willingness to do whatever it take to get there, whether that means painting fences or soliciting for fans through a loud speaker.

Now, it is easy for someone to come along and make big promises. The difference between a bullshitter and a winner is that the winner will break the promise down into actionable tasks. So, in the cases above, Fergie will promise to improve St Mirren. To do this, he knows he’ll need better players. To get them, he knows he needs more money. To get more money, he knows he needs more gate receipts. To get them, he goes out one day with a loud speaker and prospects for fans.

It is a principle that was put succinctly to me once by a successful nightclub owner in Roppongi, who explained that his business was each day to “turn one dollar into two”. It is the principle of investment and is the driving force behind any successful enterprise in life. “How can we turn one dollar into two?”. And the next day, “two dollars into four”. We can see how the effect is exponential, and this is the secret of its power. Because with this principle, one dollar can become a fortune, or in the case of a football team, Aberdeen can dominate the Old Firm, Nottingham Forest can become the best team in Europe, or Manchester United can go from being an under-achieving laughing stock to the most successful club in English football after just over two decades. And it is this very principle that the hapless Moyes did not understand.

In his 11 years at Everton, he brought stability to the club, it has to be said. He even employed the principle of turning “one dollar into two”, and them some, with the acquisition of such gems as Seamus Coleman. But he never understood the full potential of this way of thinking, nor his own potential, nor the potential of Everton Football Club. He was no iconoclast, no free thinker. He was as conventional as a bingo night down at the local conservative club. He was absolutely in tune with the cacophony of hackneyed drivel fed to us by the “expert” pundits and the media. And why not? It was all very flattering of him.

Brave, honest Dave struggling to keep the hapless Everton in the Premier League. Miracle worker Dave, working his magic in that old creaking stadium with nothing but a shoestring and a few moths in his pocket. When is Dave going to get his shot at a “big club”? Ungrateful, impoverished Everton are just holding him back...

Forget the fact that we plucked him from obscurity and gave him his big chance. Forget the fact that we backed him through thick and thin and more than a few bitter disappointments. Forget the fact that we made him one of the highest paid coaches in world sport. Forget that we made him famous and made him rich. And in return, he left us with not a single pot in the formally bulging Everton trophy cabinet. In an era in which teams like Wigan and Portsmouth won the FA Cup, and Swansea, Birmingham, Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Tottenham have won the League Cup, David Moyes could not lead the 4th most successful English club of all time to a single major honour. In 11 years. How can this man even sleep at night?

But again, that is the root of his problem. He never understood that success has to be made, always, against the odds. He thought that Everton was just a stepping stone, that Everton was too small a vehicle to deliver his ambition, but that once he’d made the step up to “better things” the success would flow. Sorry David, life just doesn’t work like that.

I have to laugh now reading about him being seen, in his final days at Manchester United, with self-help books such as “Good to Great”. This is the kind of book middle managers at banks and small time entrepreneurs read, convinced that the key to success is some esoteric secret that once they grasp will allow them to take over the world. It’s sad, like some alchemist mixing nostrums in some futile effort to turn lead to gold. How did he last 11 years at a club like Everton without knowing that success is as simple as starting each day better off than you were the day before, and not ever stopping to do that until you achieve your goal of being the very best? How did we tolerate this middling, bumbling fool for so long?

But it’s over now. It’s really, really over now that he’s left United. This season has been not only the season that I’ve woken up to reality, but a season of such excitement, as Roberto Martinez has shown Everton the value of looking at positives instead of negatives, of raising expectations rather than lowering them, and of doing whatever it takes to achieve success, even when it rubs the cosy consensus the wrong way. (like using the loan system to bring in better players…).

This is the season I finally understood what it means to be a Blue. I feel like I’ve almost gone through a religious conversion: I’m a born-again Blue. I finally understand the meaning of “Nil Satis Nisi Optimum”. It really does mean “Nothing but the best”. It means we can, and should, aim to be the best, and that nothing else is acceptable. Being a Blue means aiming to win every game, and every competition we enter, and to do it in a style that will make us the envy of world football. Yes, there is a long way and a long struggle to get there, and yes, there are many challenges that we must face on the way, but as long as we as a club – manager, board, players, and fans – focus on “turning one dollar into two”; focus on continuous investment in improving our club, and as long as we ignore the ignorant consensus, believe in ourselves, and keep doing the right thing every day, then I believe that we will get there, and that the journey will be most satisfying.

Some other good news to finish is that I managed to get to a couple of games over the Christmas period, while I was back, and took my boy to the Old Lady for the first time. Anyway, it seems like his soul might be saved, as although he played it cool at the time, and in spite of the fact his first game was the 1-0 loss against Sunderland, recently he has started to wear his royal blue Everton replica kit exclusively at footy practise on the weekends, and he has learned the names of nearly all of our first team squad, with Barkley seemingly replacing Kagawa and Barca’s Messi as his favourite football player. It may be only one additional Blue in my little family, but there are two of us today, where as yesterday there was only one.

Up the Toffees!

@BlueDomAsh

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Gary Reeves
793 Posted 23/04/2014 at 07:41:55 What was it that did for OFM at Man Utd? Was it the dour demeanour, the big-match bottling, the transfer dithering, playing people out of position? Well it was all nailed on, really, wasn’t it.
But for me his defining moment was at Carrington before the Olympiacos game. Obviously aware of rumblings of discontent, he invited the media into a training session to display their "unity". The players were doing one of those drills where a circle passes the ball around, whilst a couple try to intercept. And it became obvious in that moment that our Davey was completely out of his natural habitat – gurning like Forrest Gump whilst Internationals ’megged him for fun.

Yes, it has to be said he should only be at Carrington or Finch Farm if he’s looking through the fence. If I was you Davey I’d have the Summer off, then I’d get on the phone to Stenhousemuir!

Rob Teo
924 Posted 23/04/2014 at 15:47:10 One talking point that has emerged from Moyes's sacking is the Glazers' reluctance to hand over a 150 million pound transfer kitty to a man who's unable to motivate his players. Over the past 10 months, Moyes has also consistently highlighted the need to overhaul the Man Utd squad with new players – something he often alluded to as Everton boss when he would compare our players to Marks and Spencer and use that as an excuse/reason for our inability to finish above 7th/6th.
To his credit, Moyes is great at unearthing cheap bargains and generating profits from player sales to fund new purchases. On the flip side, it's well-documented that Moyes has seldom been able to get the most out of any player purchase above £5M (except perhaps for Baines and arguably Fellaini).

Now, what if the reason Blue Bill and the rest of the Everton board have been withholding from Moyes a huge transfer kitty because they knew long ago that Moyes wasn't the man to spend it on the right players? What if they saw Moyes as an excellent bargain-hunter that he was, but not the astute marquee-signing manager who could be trusted to spend well on a huge transfer kitty (like how the Glazers are now realising)?

It would be interesting to see if Roberto is given significant funding should he take us to the Champions League, and if so, would that make Blue Bill an astute chairman and good judge of managers?

Chris Morris
931 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:23:27 He failed because he's shit when it matters most
Brin Williams
932 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:24:48 Well you sure as hell 'exercised' those demons - now try exorcising them.
Shane Corcoran
933 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:27:54 So, anyone looking forward to the game at the weekend or are we all too worn out laughing at/getting over/exorcising all things related to David Moyes and his many aliases?
Lee Gray
935 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:31:44 Sometimes in life you get shafted, sometimes in life you get what you deserve... David Moyes got both.
Heard the song? "You can fool some people sometimes".....A heartfelt thanks Sir Alex.

Steavey Buckley
938 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:32:58 Biggest problem with Moyes he is a very cautious man when it comes to managing football clubs. He is aware that the opposition can score at any time, so, sets up his teams to prevent them. When Everton were crying out for more creativeness from mid-field last season, by over looking the immensely talented Ross Barkley, he kept playing Osman and Phil Neville. Neville was so bad in the end, he retired at the end of last season. Osman has somehow been rejuvenated by playing in a more advanced free role this season, when everyone should recognise he is a liability when tracking back with his unlikely pass backs.
Mike Byrne
942 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:15:25 Makes me wonder who the 'marque' names supposedly offered to Moyes but turned down over recent years were.
Nigel Gregson
946 Posted 23/04/2014 at 17:01:15 @BlueDomAsh Top top article. I sent something in along very very similar lines, but slight less articulate and slightly more colourful language (probably why it didnt get published). My points very similar to yours. Congratulations on your boy finally seeing the right path.
Phil Bellis
950 Posted 23/04/2014 at 16:55:50 Firstly, I DO understand why many younger fans bought into the "plucky liitle Everton"
I've been told so many times that
it's all about money
it's a different world now
Clough couldn't do it nowadays
you need a billionaire
it's not a level playing field
and so on and so on

My counter-argument has been based around a belief that the right man with vision, ambition, tenacity and nous could take a group of good players and mould them into a team in excess of the ability of its individuals
Yes, a decent stating position and some cash will accelerate the process

Throughout our history, our success has been sporadic and cyclic; us believers in Nil Satis may have become a dying breed but, through all the bad times, I rertained hope that our day would come again; if too late for me, then for the generation who have never seen great Everton sides

Illogical? So, what has being an Evertonian got to do with logic?

Hopefully, Roberto is the man and we'll get there
He said the other day, "success in football just doesn't "occur", you have to have a dream, a vision"

by the by...Nobody celebrates like Evertonians - nobody (have a look at the Pathe 66 Final clips and homecoming on YouTube)

Trevor Thompson
954 Posted 23/04/2014 at 17:34:26 Moyes is a cautious manager; he'd rather go for a draw than try to win but lose.
I can't remember what year but Liverp**l had a player sent off and instead of going for it he still got us playing cautiously. He famously said we'd do well to get out of Manchester alive; It sums the man up in my opinion.

Strange Chris but you were all over Moyes only 10 months ago. Best thing since sliced bread according to you, sucking up to him. Threads full of it.

Wonder how you will treat Martinez when he as a mediocre season next season.

Dont you worry 95% of all premiership managers(including Martinez) would give their right arm to be UTD manager, the other 5% dont have the balls.

Why are people knocking Moyes so much ?....Old Fergie must have felt that this latest generation would turn out to be not as good as the previous squads and decided it was probably a good time to move on....he was one the greatest if not the best manager of all time along with Brian Clough ......they are very cunning....David Moyes is a little unlucky not to have been left a very good squad !...he has made some blunders I must say...but still a little unfortunate not to have inherited the best ManU...

Players let him down.
2517

Problem with you GF is you excel in speaking shite!

12 Mar 2013 Post-1659 of 2868

Your'e obviously not an Evertonian then skinny? Getting beat 3-0 at home by Wigan in a FA Cup quarter final is hard to take mate trust me. Dread to think where Neville will be playing against City on Saturday knowing that fuck wit Moyes Centre Forward wouldn't surprise me.

Post-1661 of 2868

3-0 down, Wigan win a corner 10 blue shirts in the box defending, no outlet, sums up moyes tactical genius. Fuck Off Now!


And the rest is history. "THE CHOSEN ONE" ROFLMAF!

Very childish behaviour Chris.

Do the toffees do supplementary courses in anger behaviour management. You should sign on.

Lets face it your never EVER going to see a Everton team win a champions League or for that fact a Premiership again.

Class is permanent, form is temporary.

Half way house team next season for the toffees. Got lucky this time and next season best players will be on their way out.