Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays,

The blue blood of the party is beginning to flow.

Hear Aschroft has called in Cameron for a talk.

On the serious side, I think, if the clown had prepared his case and timed it properly the decision in parliament would have been passed.

And Britain would have been involved in any action in Syria.

What that action should be should have be is to remove Assad and "try" to form an inclusive replacement government.

How????

But I think, many of the public dislikes the dishonesty and hypocrisy of doing this wrapped around the "speak" of Chemical Weapons and broken international "rules".

Yes tend to agree Fred but lets not lose sight of the facts here.

Its Camorons own bank benchers who dislike him that brought him down on Thursday night.

If they had voted for Millies ammendment we would probably be having a vote tomorrow and voting for military action.

Too many now in the Conservative party dont trust him, know he lies and know he distorts facts to his own advantage.

They also beleive he had a seperate agenda that of wanting to become a world wide statesman, Im afraid that opportunity has now gone forever.

Good article by Max Hastings in the Daily Mail today about the whole fiasco.

GF,

I agree, but not accepting Miliband's amendment was probably down to Camoron's conceit and peevishness and shooting from the hip.


He is unfit for his function.

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Ed Miliband has been challenged to spend a week on holiday in Syria by a British doctor who has been treating bomb attack victims.

The Labour leader has been key in blocking UK military intervention in the war-torn country, which culminated in a humiliating Commons defeat for David Cameron on Thursday night.

The medic, who wants to be known only as Dr Rola, witnessed the aftermath of an apparent napalm attack on a school playground in Aleppo and said the "world has failed Syria".

The female Doctor was on Newsnight friday night.

What one should ask her is does she think its right for hundreds of British servicemen to be blown up, every day in Iraq and Afghanistan???? by cowardly devices hidden in the earth.

Would she be happy if her son or sons were in The British Army on the frontline in these areas and open to attack.

Is she happy to carry on spending money after money on lost causes, is she happy to have extremists in this country seeking revenge because we have invaded muslim lands.

I think Miliband is well aware of the conditions in Syria and visiting such would probably be define as gratuitous by the present tory machine.

Secondly if Comoron has accepted the Miliband / Labour and other dissenters to await the facts and UN pathway, then the "possible" actions would have been seen in a different light.

Cameron said NO, because he wishes to prance around the World Political Stage posturing and making political utterances, in a hope of validating himself. (Doing a “Maggie Thatcher” comes to mind. How many lives did she cost the British public and how much "cash" did her "vanity" cost and what is the cost of maintaining the result of her stupidity?

I respect Dr. Rola and the validity of her observations on the medical conditions of casualties.

I even think that she is right that the "World" has/is failing Syria, as it has failed other areas less in the media attentions or considered news worthy. It doesn’t mean that many are attempting resolve those problems.

Initially, I wasn't sure that there should have been interference in the Syrian civil war, but as said before I tended to lean that way.

I still think that there should be intervention, but the "process" of the UN should be "attempted" first. The abuses by "Assad" forces and the "rebels" has been carried out for over 2 years, taking time to think about possible actions of interference in Syria even if during the delay may allow more "abuses", thought may prevent a great deal more in total.

Don't know.

If there is block due to vetoes by China and Russia, I have sympathy of ignoring the UN as long as there is obvious support of other nations for the USA acting independently of the UN "authority".
Also, while I think it may be preferable to have approval of the General Assembly, if China and Russia do use their vetoes.
However, if it prolongs actions more than a week this course could be ignored.

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I wouldn't want Obama's responsibility, but admire his deliberation rather the being Gung Ho like some others.

Remember Blair lol, no you don't.

Miliband's amendment was stupid. Read it and you will see that it more or less rules out any action. The UN won't vote for action because of Russia, so it is a waste of time going down that route. The UN inspectors are only there to judge the use of chemical weapons and have said that they will not indicate who used them. Any action has to be without UN support.

GF.

My guesses she would decry the killing and murders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Can't see the difference between a drone and conceal bomb.

Maiming or killing is the aim of both, plus of course the inducing of fear.

She would prefer nobody's sons, daughters or parents on the front lines or danger zones.

The last problems would suggest a change of approaches are needed rather than exasperation and giving up.

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Just an aside, who is providing the "weaponry"?

Should the latter be responsible for the "crimes" committed with those weapons and prosecuted for providing them?


Who is profiting?

Nightmare,

Unfortunately, I do remember Blair.

He was more skillful and devious than the present occupant of No.10.

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Hays,

In short hand.

Krap.

Camoron had another bout of pique and too bloody conceited and arrogant to take advice.

Friday 30 Aug 2013 Spectre of Blair haunts Syria war
It’s taken Tony Blair, Iraq and the dodgy dossier to bring about such a historic moment again in our land. The travesty, the falsehoods went deep over Iraq. Last night we found out just how deep into the political psyche of the nation. After Iraq, if a PM said there are trees in the rainforest you’d need to send for proof. Tony Blair’s intervention in this campaign-to-bomb undoubtedly was the worst nightmare for Cameron and Obama. Down there with any putative Dubya endorsement. A political misjudgement. A PR catastrophe.

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/syria-blair-spectre-haunts-war-cameron-uk/5534

Hays,

Ps.

Another example of why one shouldn't punch above your weight.

Nightmare,

You should frame that image and put alongside your dear leader on you bedside table as a reminder of what can happen to you.

It was not a mistake to invade Iraq. The mistake was not having a plan for when the regime changes. The Iraqi army and police should not have been disbanded. I was in favour of the Iraq war and I still am. As far as Syria is concerned, I would have attacked Assad much sooner and heavily.

All those supporting action clearly forget the west as the biggest warmongerers out there. We caused and created this mess with the deisions to destabalise the middle east, starting with Iraq. We armed Saddam, we helped him use chemical weapons agains Iran. We then attacked him for having them years later.

Libya, same story
Afghanistan, same story
Egypt, same story, as we sat back, armed the brotherhood, and then allowed them to murder and persecute christians
Syria - Why don't those agaisnt Assad talk about the attocities caused by the rebels we have armed? The rebels stuffed full of islamist fighters who want to take Syria into the dark ages.

This is all about control of resources, and in the case of Syria, about building a large gas pipe through it from Qatar.

Expect the UK press to print loads of pictures of attrocities by Syria to change opinion, but nothing on the rebels.

Will we be using depleted Uranium again, that should be banned due to all the cancers and birth defects? Maybe white phoporous Israel use in Gaza and the US used in Iraq and were forced to admit after first denying it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4440664.stm

And those who want to help, then pack your bags and go and help

Fred lol- The words of today, be balanced. Its no good picking on one leader when as you can see or for you not wanting to see, that the Labour party are just as bad.

Obama has just said that he will seek a vote from Congress, but says he has right to attack without approval from Congress. He seems to be using the UN clause that permits attack on the basis of US security. He said he will not wait for UN approval.