Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

It was not a mistake to invade Iraq. The mistake was not having a plan for when the regime changes. The Iraqi army and police should not have been disbanded. I was in favour of the Iraq war and I still am. As far as Syria is concerned, I would have attacked Assad much sooner and heavily.

All those supporting action clearly forget the west as the biggest warmongerers out there. We caused and created this mess with the deisions to destabalise the middle east, starting with Iraq. We armed Saddam, we helped him use chemical weapons agains Iran. We then attacked him for having them years later.

Libya, same story
Afghanistan, same story
Egypt, same story, as we sat back, armed the brotherhood, and then allowed them to murder and persecute christians
Syria - Why don't those agaisnt Assad talk about the attocities caused by the rebels we have armed? The rebels stuffed full of islamist fighters who want to take Syria into the dark ages.

This is all about control of resources, and in the case of Syria, about building a large gas pipe through it from Qatar.

Expect the UK press to print loads of pictures of attrocities by Syria to change opinion, but nothing on the rebels.

Will we be using depleted Uranium again, that should be banned due to all the cancers and birth defects? Maybe white phoporous Israel use in Gaza and the US used in Iraq and were forced to admit after first denying it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4440664.stm

And those who want to help, then pack your bags and go and help

Fred lol- The words of today, be balanced. Its no good picking on one leader when as you can see or for you not wanting to see, that the Labour party are just as bad.

Obama has just said that he will seek a vote from Congress, but says he has right to attack without approval from Congress. He seems to be using the UN clause that permits attack on the basis of US security. He said he will not wait for UN approval.

DM I trully beleive Milliband has got Camoron by the balls over this.

Clearly their is a massive discontent with the man in the Tory party.

Ive heard Tory donators are seeking to see Camoron pretty dam quickly.

David Cameron's advisors could not contain their fury at Labour's decision not to back military action in Syria until after the conclusion of a UN inspection and report.

“No 10 and the Foreign Office think Ed Miliband is a f***ing c**t and a copper-bottomed shit. The French hate him now and he’s got no chance of building an alliance with the US Democratic Party,” one Government source told The Times.

Another accused Miliband of “playing politics” instead of considering the national interest.



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/29/miliband-labour_n_3834361.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Just 10% of US voters want millitary action.

Truth is they are sick to the back teeth like us here fighting wars and policing countries that we have no chance of winning.

VIETNAM.

YEP DM but look at the 60 plus list of those tories who didnt support Camoron.

Speaks volumes.

It was an Hijack imo, how on earth did the Tory whips Younger etc get it so wrong. ???

How did Justin Greening not hear the second bell when its been proved it was working.

The group of people responsible for no action is not Milliband.......... its the Tory disenters who hate Cameron and know hes a cheat.

Americans say they don't want the U.S. to strike Syria, but that they could support a limited action that did not risk the lives of American soldiers, according to recent polls.

In a new survey from NBC, 50 percent of 700 respondents said the U.S. should not take "military action" in Syria, while 42 percent said the U.S. should.

But opinions changed when participants were asked about airstrikes launched from U.S. ships, without involving ground troops or U.S. planes flying over Syria.

Asked their opinion about a mission "limited to airstrikes using cruise missiles launched from U.S. naval ships that were meant to destroy military units and infrastructure that have been used to carry out chemical attacks," 50 percent said they would support such an action, while 40 percent said they would not.

Those latest numbers are consistent with other polling taken this month. As of Aug. 27, a Reuters five-day tracking poll of 2,293 Americans found similar opposition to attacking Syria in response to its suspected use of chemical weapons: 28 percent said the U.S. should intervene, 42 percent said it should not and 30 percent said they didn't know.

How could they tell one building from another?


Asked their opinion about a mission "limited to airstrikes using cruise missiles launched from U.S. naval ships that were meant to destroy military units and infrastructure that have been used to carry out chemical attacks," 50 percent said they would support such an action, while 40 percent said they would not.

Afghan war started Oct 2001 .... 12 years and counting, no resolution in sight.

Iraq war started March 2003 ..... 10 years and counting, no resolution in sight.


Syria war started ?

Korean war - no resolution, both sides technically still at war - plenty of others.

Tony Blair called on UK and US to begin the War on Syria


War Criminal Tony Blair called on London and Washington to go to war in Syria.

The former British Prime Minister, a known war criminal and liar, made some new statements in terms of Syria and called on the governments in Britain and the United States to go to war in Syria in order to save the Syrian population. However, one might ask whether the Iraqis would sign such a statement by Tony Blair.

Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister, who has dragged Britain into the war against Iraq, based on fabricated claims, propaganda, and lies, sees no other option than to start another war, this time, against Syria. Perhaps there are also “ready-to-launch weapons of mass destruction” in Syria. Tony will tell us.

http://www.syrianews.cc/tony-blair-begin-war-syria/

Dreams,

I thought Blair was another slick salesman who ingratiated himself into the labour party.#

I thought he might sell the Labour party to the voters and he did.

I did not like him at the time and did not like many of his policies, although I thought during his period there were improvements in the social fabric of the country.

As far as Iraq was concerned I think he was self deceiving to say the least and it was a catastrophic mistake to do what they did and the way the occupation was carried out.

I was against that war and thought there were other ways of castrating Saddam.

I doubt that I would give Blair a glass of water in the desert.

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But listening to Obama a short time ago reinforces my respect of him.

What did O'Bammy say?

DYOH and evaluate it for yourself.

I have open a bottle of wine.

8-)

Obama post 28533 above

I suspect the bottle wasnt the first.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/31/syrian-air-strikes-obama-congress

re: #28542

How many soldiers on the ground?